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June 2, 2013
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All the action is happening on late position, otherwise I will be folding fast hehehe.
Here is what I think, CO can be opening with a wide range, sure he is having to call short, but i don´t think he is tight here, any pair, some broadways, SCs, Axs… so, short shoves 8bb, and SB shove to iso with 33bbs, what is the range of iso? I don´t put SB on AA or KK here, perhaps QQ, JJ i think he shoves pre, AT+77+KQ?
Full Tilt Poker $10 buy in
50/100 Ante 10
Seat 1: ssnowflakes (3,333)
Seat 2: almofadinhas (8,942)
Seat 3: Pstragu (4,940)
Seat 4: nlfish1 (5,616)
Seat 5: FORsMAJOR (11,276)
Seat 6: junkfood33 (7,390)
Seat 7: mrx122 (4,763)
Seat 8: Neogracz (5,050)
Seat 9: boystreet (793)
everyone post antes 10
ssnowflakes posts the small blind of 50
almofadinhas posts the big blind of 100
The button is in seat #9
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to almofadinhas [Th Td]
05 folds
Neogracz raises to 200
boystreet raises to 783, and is all in
ssnowflakes raises to 3,323, and is all in
almofadinhas ?
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August 25, 2012
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This is probably pretty close. It comes down to what each player knows or thinks about the others – if the original raiser is really tight, that means the ranges of the others get even tighter. If the original raiser is fairly loose, it mostly comes down to how the 4-bet reshover perceives the short-stack – if the short-stack’s range is tight, the reshove is going to be tight. You mentioned the raiser is reasonably loose, but do the others know that?
I think I’m leaning towards folding here and going with something like JJ+ AKs, maybe AKo as well. But it’s very read-dependent. With no reads at all, in a $10 tournament I’m leaning fold, just because people aren’t as likely to know their shove/reshove/re-reshove ranges very well, and so the 4-bet shove is likely to be tighter than it probably should be.
However, with a read that the 4-bettor is particularly aggressive or splashy, it might be a snap-call – it really depends. It’s very difficult to say you don’t think the SB would shove KK+ if you don’t have a clear read on them. With the range you gave the SB, it’s probably a call, but I think you’re being very optimistic to say SB never has KK+ and can have 77 or KQ. I think isolating KQ here with you to act behind and the original raiser left as well would be terrible.
June 2, 2013
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I think SB only calls KK or AA here, set a trap for me or the other one, this is why I don´t give him KK+, but it is not 100%, sometimes I think they ll reshove it too.
December 30, 2015
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I am really interested in what everyone thinks of this spot because it brings up stack protection vs risking chips without risking tournament-life
Even if guaranteed heads-up, is it worth (hopefully) flipping for 33BB (or 50BB) when we have 90BB and the luxury of waiting for better spots? (This is what I’m trying to ask myself before taking action since I meltdown a lot in spots like this. It’s why my avatar is a nuclear explosion; another reminder 😉 )
I’m super read-dependent in this spot when considering a call. Readless, I’d like to think I find a fold since I expect AQ, AK, JJ-AA here a bunch. For the main pot we could be up against 3-4 overs or a bigger pair. I agree with theginger45 that AA could be there since any action looks so strong that a shove may look the weakest of V’s choices. I guess flatting with AA invites more mistakes to build a side pot…?
I hope asking an alternate-reality-question, in the name of learning, isn’t seen as a thread hijack.
#1) I’m curious what you all might do if SB had just flatted. Do we….
a) Flat: Seems bad since we don’t have the odds to set-mine even if the original raiser also calls (and doesn’t squeeze). I can’t think why else we might flat unless we are planning a high-variance play where we lead-shove any decent flop for our hand. Any other possibilities for a flat?
b) Fold because SB is either bad or has AA/KK? Or am I being too black & white here? Regardless, we aren’t last to act, have little invested and plenty in our stack.
c) Squeeze: I don’t know if we have much fold equity against the SB considering V’s stack-to-pot ratio is at least 1:1 after flatting and before calling a squeeze? Plus, see ‘a’ above and all points in the original scenario if V does call.
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