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TT 16BBs - shove or raise/call?

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April 1, 2013 - 4:16 am

Should I just shove pre here instead of raising since TT will be (as proved to be) quite hard to play post-flop? And I'm guessing my flop cbet is bad… although it gets rid of any unpaired broadway hands that didn't hit, versus lower PPs they have very few outs to hit so I think a check is better.

Poker Stars $5.00+$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t150/t300 Blinds + t40 – 9 players – View hand 2160910
TournamentPokerEdge.com Hand History Converter

UTG: BB = 15.8, t4741
UTG+1: BB = 27.9, t8372
UTG+2: BB = 21.4, t6415
Hero (MP1): BB = 15.8, t4727
MP2: BB = 27.8, t8344
CO: BB = 19.9, t5975
BTN: BB = 3.6, t1072
SB: BB = 18.6, t5575
BB: BB = 32.4, t9733

Pre Flop: (t810) Hero is MP1 with T of spades T of hearts
3 folds, Hero raises to t600, 4 folds, BB calls t300

Flop: (t1710) 4 of hearts K of spades A of diamonds (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t655, BB calls t655

Turn: (t3020) Q of hearts (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

River: (t3020) 2 of hearts (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

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April 1, 2013 - 5:18 am

I think I would have either pushed or at least raised a little bit bigger, since the minraise with your stack can look weak (just stealing, don't want to commit too much to this hand), the BB is deep enough to throw in an extra bet and he gets very good odds.

The flop is not good but I think a c-bet is ok, since BB can have any2.

I personally would bet bigger 800-1100. Again the small bet looks to weak (like preflop trying to win the pot without commiting yourself), and gives ok odds for the BB to call down a potential draw or medium pair.

This is how I think about it. Someone else might say, that the small bets could represent strength, but that is a slippery slope, since you probabely would have been content to just win this pot on the flop.

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April 1, 2013 - 7:40 am

Imo its dependable of players behind you.If u have idiots on blinds who will call your 16bb open just jamm then,on the other side if u have solid player who will fold or raise i am r/c in spot like this.

edit:cbet is fine i think

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April 1, 2013 - 9:59 am

With an M of 5.5, I open shove TT here. You have no room to be called/c-bet then have to give up on the pot later. You lose too much of your stack for that, soi just get it n with any hand I am playing there.

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April 1, 2013 - 10:55 pm

Open shove pre with the 16bb…if you get coolered, then so be it. However, if you get called by any big ace or 9s and less you double up. by min raising and no overs hit the flop, you lose value post, where if called by AK for example and win the race you get max value.

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April 1, 2013 - 11:18 pm

i dont mind r/c if u dont have a bb opp who will flat; if u do then maybe make it as much as 2.5bb pre

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April 2, 2013 - 2:01 am

Given these stack sizes, I find it hard to find a scenario where I am not open shoving. Is this a leak?

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April 2, 2013 - 4:47 am

I like r/c as I think u get alot of other people to spaz and shove over your open here with 55-TT, some even less. This depends on BB VPIP however. If flatted i play as OP did. Im more inclined to R/c when in later position tho as this can be seen as more of a steal and have the remaining players LTA spazzy waz

At <14bb i shove whole range.

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April 2, 2013 - 4:29 pm

I would usually open shove with TT and this stack unless I had a good reason for thinking someone will shove over me.

Once you've min raised and be called by the BB i'd c-bet a third of the pot – the A should be a good card for you. Once he calls it seems fair enough to check down – as he didn't bet the river I presume he's called with Kx, maybe KJ, or a raggedy Ace.

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