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Just moved to the tbl 13 hands ago, only thing I have done is r/f pre
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Full Tilt Poker $25,000 Guarantee No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t1000/t2000 Blinds + t250 – 8 players
Hand Conversion courtesy of Tournament Poker Edge
DumbHick (MP2): BB = 28.6, t57192
BUKOWSKI101 (CO): BB = 8.9, t17775
d0npelo (BTN): BB = 8.2, t16436
Ziale (SB): BB = 44.0, t87926
ZecretHand (BB): BB = 37.1, t74295
guitey (UTG): BB = 25.2, t50381
Nick1108 (UTG+1): BB = 38.8, t77531
bird42042 (MP1): BB = 3.2, t6423
Pre Flop: (t5000) guitey is UTG with K
Q
guitey raises to t4085, 6 folds, ZecretHand calls t2085
Flop: (t11170) 2 K
9 (2 players)
ZecretHand bets t8000, guitey calls t8000
Turn: (t27170) A
(2 players)
ZecretHand checks, guitey checks
River: (t27170) 2 (2 players)
ZecretHand bets t25000, guitey calls t25000
I don't know if i would of led out with the KQ with only 25bb's, unless the table was really passive. I probably would of raised him on the flop, I don't really want to be getting too cutesy with the stack that you have, and the fact that two spades fell on the flop. If the KQ was suited then I might of raised UTG….imo.
full table with 25 bb this should be a fold pre. u want to avoid the exact situation ur facing right now. but as playd im raising the donk bet and firing turn. utg raiser ak well withn range for raising unless u've been loosy goosy. hope this helps.
bjizz
bjizzle44 said:
full table with 25 bb this should be a fold pre. u want to avoid the exact situation ur facing right now. but as playd im raising the donk bet and firing turn. utg raiser ak well withn range for raising unless u've been loosy goosy. hope this helps.
bjizz
btw, ur passive approach makes river bet a easy fold.
bjizz
I flat flop to keep his weaker hands in and to give him another chance to bluff. I am confident I have the best hand on the flop. I think he leads with the flush draw,Kx maybe JT/JQ and a set some of the time altho I think most people c/r a set on this flop, and would fire the turn too. If I had TT-QQ here I should flat right? So if I can make him think I have the weaker end of my range he will likely bluff again.
I don't think he bets AsXs or Kx this big on riv, yea he could have a slowplayed AA but this looks like a missed draw to me the way iy played out.
Maybe a case for a fold PF but I don't overly mind the UTG open.
Villians range is so wide here given his discount to complete. Agreed he could have been gettin tricky with AA but unlikely.
I think you're too shallow to flat the flop, reraise alin for me here. Would have jammed the turn but knowing now that he strongly bet the river I think his A rag hit the turn and he was hopin to chk / raise you're lead.
As played I'm folding the river.
Good thought provoking post.
Looking back I like shoving the flop and was my first thought when he lead out but I opted to play it this way to keep in weaker hands that he might just be b/f flop with.
Pre flop is just player dependant I think. I took this opportunity to steal, (from utg with 25bbs looks strong) before the blinds go thru me, planning to call the 3 short stacks if they go all in and fold to any other 3b.
July 3, 2010
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I hate how we played it here, Guitey.
A lot of weak hands like club draws, middle pairs, amd some other stuff like JTs and JQs lead into us. Also weaker Kings like KT and KJ can lead.
Wish we had reads but being new to the table we need to raise here. I prob jam on him like you said earlier.
As played I'm so tempted to call. We've shown zero strength and his river bet seems to want a fold. Who bets that big for value?
On a dryer flop I elect to keep weaker hands in but there's lots of dead money pre-flop and we only have 25 bb. I want the pot now.
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March 17, 2010
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I agree with folding PF.
At first I thought i liked calling the flop bit the more I think about it the more that I think it's a weak K that leads into us here. I don't think draws lead in. I think a weak K wants to protect his hand vs our draws which is why he is leading. So you can jam on him and get called here enough imo.
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July 20, 2010
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i fold pre flop. but if i found myself in that situation i would shove the flop
This is one of the things tho with min raising pre, the BB will be flatting with such a wide range, then they want to win the pot so things can get tricky. This isn't a great hand to post for this with my stack size but what I have been running into is people (randoms) calling and stabbing the flop, or turn if I check behind with total air. That's what I had in mind when I played this hand, obv giving him a value range/semibluff range too. But everyone seems to be playing alot more hands from the blinds now that min raises are what alot of players are doing. He showed up with Q7o here for total air and it is/was pretty obvious.
You guys are insane for wanting to fold preflop. You have 25bbs, you can definitely raise fold and if you're flatted you can cbet a lot of flops and get a lot of credit, as well as having a good amount of equity. If a short stack shoves you have plenty of equity for the times they do.
I would raise get it in on the flop, only hands I'm worried about are K9,99,22 and he doesn't lead those most of the time. Raise with bluffs here as well since he's repping very thin vs your UTG open,y ou should get al lot of respect until they see you bluffing more.
May 26, 2010
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I agree with Panda raising pre-flop also especially since your UTG and it should get some respect, also sometimes you just take it down pre. You can c-bet just about every flop and hope to take it down a decent % of the time. It sucks that your getting close to a 20bb stack but you can def raise-fold if you had to and still be in OK shape. Panda makes a good point that he's probably NOT leading with 22, 99 most of the time, and if he had K9 then that's just unlucky IMO. I like how you played it and love that you picked off a total bluff on the river.
bjizzle44 said:
bjizzle44 said:
full table with 25 bb this should be a fold pre. u want to avoid the exact situation ur facing right now. but as playd im raising the donk bet and firing turn. utg raiser ak well withn range for raising unless u've been loosy goosy. hope this helps.
bjizz
btw, ur passive approach makes river bet a easy fold.
bjizz
I think that ure passive approach makes a river bet an easy call! Am i missing anything here?
I have to say i totally agree with guitey that by raising we're folding a lot of hands that we beat and we're not afraid of many turns. A turn is really not as dangerous as it looks because what Ax does he just call preflop with and leads on flop? A9 maybe but that's about it. As played i do belive that checking on A calling a river bet is probably best.
So bjizz if you want to explain what you're thinking is appreciated.
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