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tough turn spot in $2 6max
G0liath
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March 21, 2011 - 3:24 pm
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Tough spot…

 

villain has 75/0 over 16 hands. call open – 78%, aggression factor – 1.0

 

Poker Stars No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t25.00/t50.00 Blinds – 6 players
TournamentPokerEdge.com Hand History Converter

txokillo (BTN): t7620.00 152.40 BBs
VD27 (SB): t2700.00 54 BBs
MaoVM8 (BB): t2885.00 57.70 BBs
DNGL (UTG): t1655.00 33.10 BBs
Hero (MP): t2615.00 52.30 BBs
pidapoker (CO): t5410.00 108.20 BBs

Pre Flop: (t75) Hero is MP with 6 of clubs 7 of hearts
1 fold, Hero raises to t125, 1 fold, txokillo calls t125, 1 fold, MaoVM8 calls t75

Flop: (t400) K of clubs 3 of hearts 7 of diamonds (3 players)
MaoVM8 checks, Hero bets t185.00, txokillo calls t185, MaoVM8 folds

Turn: (t770) 6 of diamonds (2 players)
Hero bets t485.00, txokillo raises to t1000, Hero – vomit?

 

what are you ranging him? and wwyd?

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March 21, 2011 - 4:13 pm
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I honestly don't think I can find a fold here.  I think his range is most likely a weak K (with a flush or straight draw and hopefully not K3 K6 or K7), 33, and an off chance of 45.  Very unlikely holding 66 or 77, prob not holding AK as he should 3bet that pre (although it looks like he prefers flatting given his stats). 

I could be wrong with the ranging, but in this spot I sigh jam.  Could be a leak of mine

jam > fold > flat.  By folding you would still have a workable 30ish BB stack

 

Also, I think you should have C-bet a little more.  If my math is right, there is about 400 in the middle on the flop.  I would make a C-bet of about 225-240ish. 

 

please post results after you get some more feedback.  Thanks

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March 21, 2011 - 6:53 pm
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As playes I would shove and pray man…shove and pray, its impossible to narrow his range down enough.  you have a hand, he could be semibluffing a ton of hands such as KdiamondXdiamond, 89, 45.

 

Alternatively id like to hear what people think of check calling turn and river (bet size dependent) against this kind of player.  my thinking is that you dont know where your are at here at all due to the way he plays, so instead of making the pot bigger you want to manage it and getto showdown, if you dont bet the turn his size probably wouldnt be larger  than 770 (pot), and then you see where you are at at the river after calling.  I know this is results oriented since we know he raised but, I guess its worth asking….

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March 21, 2011 - 7:40 pm
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this is such a sucky spot because i dont think villain ever does this with K plus a draw – passive villains just dont semibluff at all.

 

this is just about baluga theorem stuff right here – what do you beat out of a passive villain's value range? i would say this is K7/K6/set most of the time. 

 

i prefer check calling and and re-evaluating. 

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March 21, 2011 - 8:13 pm
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bennymacca said:

 

i prefer check calling and and re-evaluating. 

you check that turn card knowing he's such a station and will call down with just about any piece? you miss so much value against the stations when you fail to bet any sort of decent hand

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March 21, 2011 - 8:44 pm
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G0liath said:

bennymacca said:

 

i prefer check calling and and re-evaluating. 

you check that turn card knowing he's such a station and will call down with just about any piece? you miss so much value against the stations when you fail to bet any sort of decent hand

fair point. does that mean bet/folding is the way to go here?
sometimes i just hate having to betfold against these fisy players
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With that villain who is in position who appears to be very fishy through a small sample in a $2 tourney, I am not even opening in this.  I can mayble see opening 6/7s but even then you know you are going to be called.  Before you are going to play this hand, ask..what am I trying to accomplish with ths, and have a plan definitely post.  With the way played, I find it hard to find a fold.  The villain can have a wide range a hands and may be trying to get tricky slow playing a big hand such as a/k, k/q.  If he has a bigger 2 pair unlucky and move to the next tourney.  Again though..probably not opening this hand with the villain in position behind.

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