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Hope i can get some advice about this spot?
$8 freezout MTT pokerstars
Blinds 50/100
Hero 2550
Villain in BB 2100
Villain is new to table for 5 hands, none played
I am dealt QhQc UTG+1 and raise to 255
Folds around to Villain who calls
Flop Jc9c4d (pot has 560)
He check-calls a 345 Cbet
Turn 7c (pot has 1250)
He checks and i check behind
River blank 2s
Now he has 1500 behind and i have 1950 i think
He bets EXACTLY half pot – 625
Some thoughts from my perspective;
I think my flop bet is ok. When he calls im thinking draws of any kind. F draws, broadways like KQ,QT,KJ, and maybe T8. Def dont think he's floating OOP with that stack.
Turn hits the F draw and i dont wanna get check raised and have to call off on a draw, maybe even dead. So i elect to just see the river and evaluate.
I hate his river bet and dont know what to make of it..
Value? Bluff?
Help
I think he has enough Jx and other randomness that isn't a flush/set to make a snap call here just fine.
October 6, 2010
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by checking behind on the turn, you have induced a bet from just about the whole of villains range including a lot of J type hands, and a bunch of other stuff that he might be bluffing now. i would be snapping this off.
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March 17, 2010
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bennymacca said:
by checking behind on the turn, you have induced a bet from just about the whole of villains range including a lot of J type hands, and a bunch of other stuff that he might be bluffing now. i would be snapping this off.
+1
hmmm, why didnt i think that checking behind was actually a good move to induce bluffs?!? brilliant i say!
i was actually checking behind 1) scared of the check raise 2) some kinda pot control 3) hoping to get to showdown
but now you guys rightfully mention it i actually look weak and like i Cbet the Ac or TT 88 77 66 and shutdown
anyway, nice resolution for me
a line to remember!
October 6, 2010
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hapetimes said:
hmmm, why didnt i think that checking behind was actually a good move to induce bluffs?!? brilliant i say!
i was actually checking behind 1) scared of the check raise 2) some kinda pot control 3) hoping to get to showdown
all of these reasons are valid too imo – another reason i like checking the turn is becuase i think it makes your river play easy – you can easily call any river bet and be happy irrespective of whether you win or lose the hand. as you mention with your 3 (somewhat related) reasons above, checking turn is a lower variance approach too which is always nice in tourneys.
Id just call the bet, Its probably Jx or It could be complete air because he noticed you checked the 3rd c
By checking turn we have to call this river bet. The river really changed nothing and he could def be going for value with all his J hands.
Looking at the pot odds you only have to be good 1/3 times to break even. Does he have 2 pair plus more than 33 percent of the time? I don't think so if you look at his range of hands. You having the Q clubs takes a lot of his flush combinations away since all he did was call preflop. He still has his nut flushes but usually people will bet it hard on the flop if they flop a nut flush draw so I don't think he has that either. You should not hate the bet on the river and calling is definitely the right play against any villain. You induced the bluff, now have the balls to call his bet . . .
I think betting the turn to get value vs. most Jx is what I would do. You have the blockers for the straight and a club in your hand..which is the third nut draw. but it is tough as it is readless. So I don't mind the turn check.
As played, I call the river to see AcJx enough times to be profitable. He could be playing a set to control the pot..but I highly doubt it.
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