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October 25, 2013
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This is final table of an $11 tournament on 888. Villain is big stack with 4 remaining. Playing fairly aggro opening a high number of his btns. I decided to take an odd line post flop as it was the last 4 players and every hand is so important, My thought process is as follows, on the flop i decide to check to try and induce a lead as it looks like i am giving up on the a high board. I also check the turn with the view of jamming over a double barrel. When the river comes another queen i am obviously worried of a set and decided to check evaluate. When he shoves i find myself in a tough spot with my tournie life on the line. i feel i never really put him to a test so ranging him was hard other than he called my 3 bet in position with the biggest stack on the table. I am not a world beater and my analysis of hands is not great so all feedback would be appreciated for all streets and feel free to tell me if you think i butchered the life out of it.
***** Hand History for Game 1111111111 ***** (Pacific) Tourney Hand NL Texas Hold'em - Friday, April 18, 11:39:51 ET 2014 Table 57437849 table 6 (Real Money) Seat 7 is the button Seat 1: Hero ( 131635 ) - VPIP: 20, PFR: 15, 3B: 7, AF: 1.9, Hands: 27545 Seat 2: Player2 ( 92313 ) - VPIP: 33, PFR: 26, 3B: 13, AF: 3.0, Hands: 103 Seat 7: Player7 ( 215762 ) - VPIP: 23, PFR: 15, 3B: 7, AF: 2.1, Hands: 177 Seat 10: Player10 ( 193290 ) - VPIP: 22, PFR: 18, 3B: 8, AF: 1.2, Hands: 99 Player7 posts ante of [600]. Player10 posts ante of [600]. Hero posts ante of [600]. Player2 posts ante of [600]. Player10 posts small blind [3000]. Hero posts big blind [6000]. ** Dealing down cards ** Dealt to Hero [ Ts Ah ] Player2 folds Player7 raises [12000] Player10 folds Hero raises [20999] Player7 calls [14999] ** Dealing Flop ** [ Qh, Ac, 7d ] Hero checks Player7 bets [18999] Hero calls [18999] ** Dealing Turn ** [ 2h ] Hero checks Player7 checks ** Dealing River ** [ Qd ] Hero checks Player7 bets [97396]
September 29, 2012
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I think you have to call off here. Maybe you're beat, but there are bluffs in his range. Especially the way you played this hand would induce him to bluff. It does appear by his line and sizing on the flop compared to overbet shoving (91k into 85k) the river that Qx could be very likely.
Considering that you went to the flop with an SPR of a little over 2:1 and you flopped top pair, I wouldn't ever plan on folding this hand.
As for critiquing the way you played this hand, here are some of my thoughts.
Preflop: I like a 3 bet preflop here. I don't like your sizing. I think you are right on the edge of being able to shove over his open here. The pot is 17% the size of your stack and the limit for alot of pros is 15%, so you are just inside there.
Even if you don't shove, I think I prefer a 3 bet to 27k better. 2.2x the size of his raise. What you did was pretty much click it back and he shouldn't fold any of his range to that sizing.
Flop: I would c-bet here as my standard line. Of course, checking is a deception option and if the player is aggressive enough, using a check call line with a showdown value hand once in a while will keep him on a leash. But if you do that, you have to buckle in and be prepared to call off.
I'm wondering if there is any merit to check raising all in on the flop. Probably not. I'm not sure how many Qx hands call off. A crai line looks strong here on this flop. Especially, since you 3 bet preflop.
I do think that continuation betting here is superior. Consider this thinking. Your flop line looks like a marginal showdown value hand. With your SPR, you cannot have a draw. You might as well turn your cards face up. If you continuation bet however, it keeps your range wider as you could have bluffs in your range if c-bet.
September 5, 2013
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jam pre, think your hand is to strong to 3b/f and to weak to 3b/c taking ICM influence into consideration.
As played I cbet the flop. There is enough value from Qx hands and we do want to balance for our bluffs. If we check AT here we have to many bluffs in our cbet range etc.
I bet fold the river. Villain can call worse Ax hands etc and I don't think villain is going to bluffraise the river alot, because you kinda rep a Q with this line.
December 28, 2012
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My first thought was we are underrepped and have to call given the SPR. I think this is an overly simplistic or “easy” answer, so let's try to break it down:
Pre:
What range of hands does he flat with here (What kind of hands does he just fold? What kind of hands does he rip?)?
He can't set mine (or he shouldn't – competency of/reads on villain?). I think he'd be inclined to 4bet rip any/most pairs.
He shouldn't have an 87s type hand, they don't flop well enough.
I think he'll have a lot of broadway hands in his flatting range, since he's IP and they will flop top pair fairly often. Obviously this puts a lot of Queen combos in his range.
Flop:
When you check you are effectively saying “I had a real hand that 3bet but I don't like that Ace”.
What range of hands do you 3bet pre in this spot and how do they do on that board? If you are going to check your big pairs then you have to check with the Ace sometimes too, obviously. Will he consider that?
How does his range hit that board? If we think he'll have broadways a lot then he should have hit some part of it – be it a Qx or a KJ gutter etc.
He bets small on the flop – is he bluffing small to simply fold out our air? The problem with this is that we'd likely Cbet our air.
What is his value target? Does he even have one? What is his plan? Does he even have one?
The quesion that come to my mind is whether he bets or checks behind with a Q?
He can have AJ too I suppose, though I'm not sure how may other Ax combos he has in his range.
Turn:
Perhaps the brick of all bricks (bar the 2 of spades, actually).
When he checks behind I'm thinking showdown value and stripping a % of the “air” out of his range.
On the flip side, however, the turn brought a card bad for him to barrel because it put no further pressure on your flop check/call range. So what is his perception of you? Does he perceive you as the “sticky” type and is he therefore intending to see a river before deciding whether to bluff (with potentially additional information that you've checked the river)? He may of course get there on the river yet too if has a KJ type hand.
River:
You give him some more information when you check, so he likely thinks you're fairly weak by now (if he didn't already).
The question is then does he get excited because he made trips without consideration of what you'd call with if he set you in? How elastic even is your calling range if he bets smaller?
Or is this a card which he can use to put you to the test (if he determined that the turn was no good for this)?
Perhpaps more questions than answers but this would be my thought process (perhaps not in-game because I'm still working on the speed of my thought process).
I think if it is a bluff it is a sohisticated bluff and I'm not sure how many people are capable of that in an $11 tourney. I think his range therefore probably is Queen heavy. If he is a good player capable of this kind of play then you should call I guess, but I think it is more likely that he just has it.
October 25, 2013
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thanks for the comments i do feel like im very under repped and so the queen does provide a perfect card to bluff on the river. after he checked back the turn i felt he either had a queen or some other type of underpair, gutshot draw that i was going to put him to the test on any blank river however the queen changed the dynamics slightly. i do wonder in this type of tournament and with a large number of the chips in play in this hand is he capable of bombing the river with air? i personally think he has it more often than not and what % of his range do we beat when he does this? lower ax combos which i dont think he has very often or a bluff. so im leaning towards a fold on river however i do think i should be c betting as this is always a problem that can occur when you try to get tricky, especially when im not to competent post flop.
So do people think that if we make a slightly bigger 3 bet then c bet that is the optimal line? and presumably getting it in then regardless ??
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