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October 9, 2014
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Poker Stars $4.00+$0.40 No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t100/t200 Blin
ds + t25 – 9 players – View hand 2600324
TournamentPokerEdge.com Hand History Converter
Hero (MP2): BB = 21.4, t4283
wladi.wien13 (CO): BB = 43.1, t8621
Benduri81 (BTN): BB = 64.5, t12892
jediturner (SB): BB = 82.9, t16584
dizhonghai (BB): BB = 13.9, t2785
JohnnyQiu (UTG): BB = 24.4, t4885
maboy27 (UTG+1): BB = 33.4, t6675
V-MAX250hpdi (UTG+2): BB = 59.2, t11847
Royhuen (MP1): BB = 21.2, t4240
Pre Flop: (t525) Hero is MP2 with Q
A
3 folds, Royhuen raises to t400, Hero calls t400, 3 folds, dizhonghai calls t200
Flop: (t1525) 7
6 Q
(3 players)
dizhonghai bets t300, Royhuen calls t300, Hero raises to t3858 all in, dizhonghai calls t2060 all in, Royhuen folds
Turn: (t6545) 6
(2 players – 2 are all in)
River: (t6545) 2 (2 players – 2 are all in)
Could I have call the flop to see, what comes in on the turn?
And if the turn was a diamond or completes a possible straith I could x-back or call the turn and reevaluate river?
Cause normally in cash games when you think you have the best hand then you should get so soon as possible money in the pot, cause in the long run you make money with this.(and if you lose the hand then you can rebuy)
Is this the same in Mtt? or could I say okay on the river I came away from this hand I lost some chips but I`m still in the tournament.
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Another example:
Lets say,
Hero 70bb, Villian 70bb
I have 66 on a 6hQh2d,
I`m shure that villian has a flush-draw and that if I jam on him that he will call, in cashgame theory this is a no-brainer get it in all day everyday.
But could you say from mtt perspective, okay let see the turn and if this doesn`t complete the flush then we put it in.
And when the flush comes in(I`m shure villian hits his flush) that I can say/think; happy I came away from this hand and I`m still in the tournament?
Is there a different approach between cash and mtt`s?
August 4, 2014
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I think you need to start ranging your opponents and base your actions on what they might also have other than considering only what you have. I mean why would you even shove that hand? Did you range him? Why didnt you 3bet to get more money into the pot to set up a shove later on? And you are in position as well.
As played, I would have raised them to pay for draws. As you are in position, you can opt to get out of the hand on the turn if you like. You should think about how to extract the most value, not to just take down the pot.
Top top is a very strong hand here, however bb will be completing with a wide range of hands here, so I would proceed cautiously.
“I`m shure that villian has a flush-draw and that if I jam on him that he will call, in cashgame theory this is a no-brainer get it in all day everyday.”
I totally disagree with the statement. Why the hell in the world you would push a set on such a dry board? We have 3 streets to make a lot of money with our set. And they dont come too often so when they come, we need to get the best out of it.
August 23, 2014
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neverAA as hit the nail on the head ^^ ,, don’t get the shove on flop at all
October 9, 2014
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NeverAA said:
I think you need to start ranging your opponents and base your actions on what they might also have other than considering only what you have. I mean why would you even shove that hand? Did you range him? Why didnt you 3bet to get more money into the pot to set up a shove later on? And you are in position as well.
As played, I would have raised them to pay for draws. As you are in position, you can opt to get out of the hand on the turn if you like. You should think about how to extract the most value, not to just take down the pot.
Top top is a very strong hand here, however bb will be completing with a wide range of hands here, so I would proceed cautiously.
“I`m shure that villian has a flush-draw and that if I jam on him that he will call, in cashgame theory this is a no-brainer get it in all day everyday.”
I totally disagree with the statement. Why the hell in the world you would push a set on such a dry board? We have 3 streets to make a lot of money with our set. And they dont come too often so when they come, we need to get the best out of it.
How the hands palyed out is not the main-question, is the question I asked id there a difference aproach between mtt and cash, cause we are not able to rebuy in a mtt as we can in a cash game.
August 4, 2014
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I think this statement “You should think about how to extract the most value, not to just take down the pot.”
and this statement “I totally disagree with the statement. Why the hell in the world you would push a set on such a dry board? We have 3 streets to make a lot of money with our set. And they dont come too often so when they come, we need to get the best out of it.” emphasizes the point of poker. Chipping up. And how you do it is to take the best value out of opportunities. It does not really matter if its a cash game or a tournament.
Yes there are other factors in a tournament that pros can elaborate more on. But wrong plays arent justified just because those factors do not exist in a cash game.
I have spent some of my time from my work to write something for you that may help you a little, and you are telling me that how hands played out is not the main question.
Then why did you put them up here in the first place?
October 9, 2014
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NeverAA said:
I think you need to start ranging your opponents and base your actions on what they might also have other than considering only what you have. I mean why would you even shove that hand? Did you range him? Why didnt you 3bet to get more money into the pot to set up a shove later on? And you are in position as well.
As played, I would have raised them to pay for draws. As you are in position, you can opt to get out of the hand on the turn if you like. You should think about how to extract the most value, not to just take down the pot.
Top top is a very strong hand here, however bb will be completing with a wide range of hands here, so I would proceed cautiously.
“I`m shure that villian has a flush-draw and that if I jam on him that he will call, in cashgame theory this is a no-brainer get it in all day everyday.”
I totally disagree with the statement. Why the hell in the world you would push a set on such a dry board? We have 3 streets to make a lot of money with our set. And they dont come too often so when they come, we need to get the best out of it.
Hand 1. The guy he opens here was 2/2 prf nit over 65 hands, for that I did not 3 bet him, even when a guy with this stats opens from LP.
Pre ante there is no problem with flatting, imo
Shove on flop, I want to let pay the weak player all his TPWK hands, if I raise and he calls and the 3th diamond comes in I doubt he would put more chips in the pot.
If he would have a draw I aslo would doubt if he would invest more chips in the pot if he missed on the turn, I think he only would invest more if he has us beat, imo.
Hand 2.
As already mentioned by myself, was a hypothetic example, what is misunderstood.
Thanks anyways for your time and energy.
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December 6, 2012
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Flatting pre is fine given stacks and position. Pre-ante, I wouldn't be thrilled to get it in with AQs here.
Jamming flop is fine too, it's only like a 1.5 pot raise, you'll probably get called by dominated Queens, there are lots of action killing turns, etc. Raising something like half-pot might be slightly better but I doubt it's a big difference.
To get to your central point, yes even in a tournament you should be happy to get it in as 60% favorite on the flop (or a much bigger favorite, in the case of a set). Survival is worth a little something, but not nearly enough to pass up a huge edge in a huge pot.
A more general piece of advice: give up on the fantasy of removing luck from the game. It simply isn't going to happen. Yes getting drawn out on in a big pot sucks, but you can't prevent it, and trying to avoid it or minimize your losses will just lead to you winning less with your strong hands and sometimes even folding winners. You have to win chips to win a tournament, and you have to take risks to win chips.
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