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June 2, 2013
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Hello!!
I was playing a little loose today than I usually play, trying to improve my post flop game yet. Should I bet river on this one? Vilain is passive, no other note on him.
Merge, $11 Buy-in (30/60 blinds) No Limit Hold’em Tournament, 8 Players
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SB: 4,963 (82.7 bb)
BB: 6,781 (113 bb)
UTG+2: 7,861 (131 bb)
MP1: 5,075 (84.6 bb)
Hero (MP2): 5,010 (83.5 bb)
MP3: 5,070 (84.5 bb)
CO: 6,507 (108.5 bb)
BTN: 4,058 (67.6 bb)
Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 9
7
2 folds, Hero raises to 120, 4 folds, BB calls 60
Flop: (270) 6
7
9
(2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets 135, BB calls 135
Turn: (540) K (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets 270, BB calls 270
River: (1,080) T (2 players)
BB checks, Hero ??
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December 6, 2012
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Nah, river might actually be a check-fold.
FWIW I don’t endorse this “playing looser to improve my post-flop game” idea. A lot of playing well post-flop stems from building a good foundation with your pre-flop play, in order to avoid a lot of the unprofitable spots in the first place. This is actually a good example of that. Oh and bet bigger on flop and turn.
November 18, 2014
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I was thinking river was a check for me too.
What do you mean when you say “playing looser” Andrew? While I will not raise a hand like 97s everytime on MP I do have that type of hand in my opening range when really deep… and I don’t think it is particularly loose as long as it’s used to balance your range (again when deep).
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December 6, 2012
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chaos said
What do you mean when you say “playing looser” Andrew?
From OP:
“I was playing a little loose today than I usually play, trying to improve my post flop game yet.”
September 30, 2013
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Same as Andrew bet bigger in the flop and the turn to protect your hand and on river just check behind. Since he check-called two streets and checked river it’s not likely he had anything but a marginal hand or draw up until river and now the obvious draw got there. This means it’s less likely to get value from a marginal hand like a pair of sevens or nines. also you are holding blockers for those pairs making the draw even more likely.
If the run out on the board was different like 3 turn and 2 river I would most likely go for value on the river but not on this river.
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December 6, 2012
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“Same as Andrew bet bigger in the flop and the turn to protect your hand”
I did not say anything about protecting your hand, and that’s not the main reason to bet bigger. The main reason to bet bigger is that I think hands you are ahead of will call a larger bet.
September 30, 2013
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Foucault said
“Same as Andrew bet bigger in the flop and the turn to protect your hand”I did not say anything about protecting your hand, and that’s not the main reason to bet bigger. The main reason to bet bigger is that I think hands you are ahead of will call a larger bet.
I agree and I wrote that in the wrong way I think. What I meant was betting flop to get value and bet turn bigger both for value from weaker hands but also to protect against a very drawy board very V easily could have a pair comboed with FD like with 109ss etc. Is this the wrong way to think in this spot?
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December 6, 2012
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rabbhit said
OFoucault said
“Same as Andrew bet bigger in the flop and the turn to protect your hand”I did not say anything about protecting your hand, and that’s not the main reason to bet bigger. The main reason to bet bigger is that I think hands you are ahead of will call a larger bet.
I agree and I wrote that in the wrong way I think. What I meant was betting flop to get value and bet turn bigger both for value from weaker hands but also to protect against a very drawy board very V easily could have a pair comboed with FD like with 109ss etc. Is this the wrong way to think in this spot?
What do you mean by “protect against”? Do you mean “cause to fold?” Because no one is folding Ts 9s on the turn. And that’s true of pretty much any hand with significant equity vs Hero. However, the fact that they will call larger bets is a reason to bet more. I just don’t see where “protection” factors into the equation, especially with regard to sizing. I think most hands that call half pot but fold to 75% pot probably have very little equity vs Hero anyway.
November 18, 2014
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Foucault said
What do you mean by “protect against”? Do you mean “cause to fold?” Because no one is folding Ts 9s on the turn. And that’s true of pretty much any hand with significant equity vs Hero. However, the fact that they will call larger bets is a reason to bet more. I just don’t see where “protection” factors into the equation, especially with regard to sizing. I think most hands that call half pot but fold to 75% pot probably have very little equity vs Hero anyway.
In that sense I’ve stopped thinking about “protection” and I’ve started thinking about “pricing it right”, which, to be honest is the same thing expressed in a different way.
That way, when I bet in a drawy board I make sure my bet size prices the call so that it is NOT right to call the bet in terms of “pot odds” vs “draw odds” (this is generally speaking obviously, there’re other considerations) but the main idea being the right thing he should be doing if he has a draw is folding (there for I’m inducing a mistake).
September 30, 2013
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Foucault said
rabbhit said
OFoucault said
“Same as Andrew bet bigger in the flop and the turn to protect your hand”I did not say anything about protecting your hand, and that’s not the main reason to bet bigger. The main reason to bet bigger is that I think hands you are ahead of will call a larger bet.
I agree and I wrote that in the wrong way I think. What I meant was betting flop to get value and bet turn bigger both for value from weaker hands but also to protect against a very drawy board very V easily could have a pair comboed with FD like with 109ss etc. Is this the wrong way to think in this spot?
What do you mean by “protect against”? Do you mean “cause to fold?” Because no one is folding Ts 9s on the turn. And that’s true of pretty much any hand with significant equity vs Hero. However, the fact that they will call larger bets is a reason to bet more. I just don’t see where “protection” factors into the equation, especially with regard to sizing. I think most hands that call half pot but fold to 75% pot probably have very little equity vs Hero anyway.
I just read your article on thinkingpoker.net about betting for protection and I used the term incorrectly, I see that now and I apologize for that.
I think I forgot my orginal thought process but I understand what you mean 🙂
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