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July 29, 2010 - 8:28 pm
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about 25 left

 

KOP is 24/14 but only over 29 hands, he flatted my open in the BB last orbit and crai on 678 flop

 

I am running 42/35/44 steal and 100% cbet over 6 cbet situations,  since coming to the tbl 29 hands ago

 

This ok?

 

Full Tilt Poker $4,000 Guarantee (Cashout) No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t800/t1600 Blinds + t200 – 5 players

Hand Conversion courtesy of Tournament Poker Edge

swartzer (UTG): BB = 22.5, t36045
guitey (CO): BB = 101.7, t162686
wcustudent87 (BTN): BB = 67.4, t107807
schlopper (SB): BB = 33.1, t52999
KOPCUKAHEIL (BB): BB = 32.6, t52106

Pre Flop: (t3400) guitey is CO with K of spades T of diamonds
1 fold, guitey raises to t3285, 2 folds, KOPCUKAHEIL calls t1685

Flop: (t8370) T of spades 5 of spades 4 of hearts (2 players)
KOPCUKAHEIL checks, guitey bets t4220, KOPCUKAHEIL calls t4220

Turn: (t16810) 7 of diamonds (2 players)
KOPCUKAHEIL checks, guitey bets t9789, KOPCUKAHEIL raises to t44401 all in, guitey calls t34612

River: (t105612) 9 of spades (2 players – 1 is all in)

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This feels like a fold to me, though I'm not sure I can exactly articulate why….but I'll try…..it's hard to put him on a hand range when he was in the big, there are antes, and we raised so little pre flop.  I know that there are a lot of good reasons why we raise small pre flop but when the bb calls us here, how can we narrow their range?  This could be two pair, a set, or just a big draw.  I doubt stone bluff.  What are you beating?  If he flatted with a pair, you are losing on the turn to 44, 55 ,77, TT, JJ, QQ, KK, AA and it's reasonable any one of these could have flatted you pre flop.  I don't think any other PP is going all in here on the turn.  He could also have flatted with any ten down to 10-8, and most of these you are beating.  The only two pair that really makes sense now that I think about it is 4,5.  he's drawing with the 6,7, and is a favorite if it's the 6,7 of spades.  I think you're behind more times than you're ahead here, but that's just my take.  What says everyone else?

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July 30, 2010 - 6:27 pm
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Seems ok to me. You've been really active and he probably noticed. I can see a weaker T floating one street and jamming when an over doesn't come. 66 can play this way.

I think a lot of draws just stick it in on the flop.

Could be a slowplayed big pair but I'm not that worried.

Could be a stone move, too. Board is really wet.

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shortymurphy said:

This feels like a fold to me, though I'm not sure I can exactly articulate why….but I'll try…..it's hard to put him on a hand range when he was in the big, there are antes, and we raised so little pre flop.  I know that there are a lot of good reasons why we raise small pre flop but when the bb calls us here, how can we narrow their range?  This could be two pair, a set, or just a big draw.  I doubt stone bluff.  What are you beating?  If he flatted with a pair, you are losing on the turn to 44, 55 ,77, TT, JJ, QQ, KK, AA and it's reasonable any one of these could have flatted you pre flop.  I don't think any other PP is going all in here on the turn.  He could also have flatted with any ten down to 10-8, and most of these you are beating.  The only two pair that really makes sense now that I think about it is 4,5.  he's drawing with the 6,7, and is a favorite if it's the 6,7 of spades.  I think you're behind more times than you're ahead here, but that's just my take.  What says everyone else?


 

imo very good read. with such a drwy board on flop its hard to bet the turn as we do. a combo of two pr hands made it, connected gappers as well. i think with such a drwy board we ck turn get a free card and call a normall bet on river. 50% to 3/4 pot.  we have top pr decent kicker but we're still not that strong. i thnk our hand has enough shwdwn value to ck turn and make river call tho.

 

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o yea, post the results

 

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With my image I am betting turn for value here as I don't expect this guy to believe me at all with the way I have been playing. His range is something like this   77, 55-44, ATs, As9s, As8s, As7s, As6s, As4s, As3s, As2s, KTs, QTs, JTs, T9s, 9s8s, 75s+, 64s+, 54s, ATo, KTo, QTo, JTo, 75o+, 64o+, 54o, which we are doing fine against (62.8% equity) so I think b/c is good here with my image as that considerably widens his value range plus he still has bluffs/semi bluffs in there. Also the board is really drawy so he will be c/r one pair + draw hands I just don't think checking for pot control is best in this spot, mainly because of my loose image.

 

Anyway he had 57 and held but I knocked this guy out on exact FT bubble.

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I find that in general when you get called on a couple of streets and then the all-in cannon comes out, they hit something bigger than TP. You will find guys willing to go to the felt with TP/any kicker, but this late it is pretty rare. More than likely he caught a piece of the flop and was going to call you to the river in case you were bluffing, but when he hit two pair, bang he was going to max value. I like BJizzle's line on this one and I think I follow very much the same, bet on the flop, when you get called check behind on the turn to get the freebie…my guess is that 50% or more of the time you may get to showdown with no more invested (provided he doesn't improve or lead into you to try to take it away). Call a reasonable river bet and see what happens. As played though, I am not sure I call the shove, it is a big chunck of our stack and brings us back way to close to our table. I fold, tighten up a little to let people forget I am there for a few hands and then go back to accumulating.

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