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Too weak passive???
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September 13, 2010 - 9:46 pm
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is this standard or nitty?

 

Full Tilt Poker Daily Double – B No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t25/t50 Blinds – 7 players
Hand Conversion courtesy of Tournament Poker Edge

Turtzilla (CO): t5135 102.70 BBs
trackc (BTN): t3835 76.70 BBs
gio1818 (SB): t2770 55.40 BBs
RollTide1992 (BB): t4730 94.60 BBs
Goldeneye7 (UTG): t2245 44.90 BBs
TT_birddog (UTG+1): t1960 39.20 BBs
akcbr954 (MP): t3600 72 BBs

Pre Flop: (t50) Goldeneye7 is UTG with A of hearts Q of hearts
1 fold, Goldeneye7 raises to t150, 4 folds, gio1818 raises to t300, Goldeneye7 calls t150

Flop: (t600) 8 of diamonds 7 of diamonds 3 of hearts (2 players)
gio1818 bets t300, Goldeneye7 folds

Final Pot: t600
gio1818 wins t600

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September 13, 2010 - 11:18 pm
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His minraise prelfop doesnt make a lot of sense and he bets little less than half pot on the flop. Folding is ok, I could also see a reason to raise the flop bet also we are IP and have overs and a backdoor draw. We could also take the hand on the flop or take it away on the turn depending on the card and action. We could play it either way and by you just flatting pre we looke like we had some sort of medium PP.

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September 14, 2010 - 1:31 am
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I think preflop is fine…..kinda stuck on what to do post…..we have 1945 left…..if we raise I feel we are committed to call the rest off….I think I fold the flop and we still have 39bbs which is plenty to work with.

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September 14, 2010 - 12:42 pm
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If there was antes I would think about floating…but as played seems fine…these smallish 3bets look suspicious imo (does any1 agree?)

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September 14, 2010 - 1:28 pm
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Easy fold this early. Risk/Reward is too great.

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September 14, 2010 - 2:20 pm
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well played imo. you called pre with great odds to smash flop and get paid.  you didn't smash.. fold and move on

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September 14, 2010 - 2:30 pm
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I would shove and pray for the suckout, I'M JUST KIDDING!!

In all seriousness the way you played is just fine.  Im with Coolers that this is an easy fold on the flop.

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September 14, 2010 - 5:30 pm
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JDOG1645 said:

His minraise prelfop doesnt make a lot of sense and he bets little less than half pot on the flop. Folding is ok, I could also see a reason to raise the flop bet also we are IP and have overs and a backdoor draw. We could also take the hand on the flop or take it away on the turn depending on the card and action. We could play it either way and by you just flatting pre we looke like we had some sort of medium PP.


 
have to disagree with analysis. our pre flop action screams 99-jj, AK and AQ sometimes QQ, never AA KK. as cougars posted raising donk lead committs us but floating is more reasonable(if we continued)…… the question is, if we float 1).wt if the turn brings an A how do we proceed? crushed by AA as well as AK. 2) wt if its a heart? only thing now we prolly become committed to the hand and not be able to let it go. just my thoughts wt do u all think?

 

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bjizzle44 said:

JDOG1645 said:

His minraise prelfop doesnt make a lot of sense and he bets little less than half pot on the flop. Folding is ok, I could also see a reason to raise the flop bet also we are IP and have overs and a backdoor draw. We could also take the hand on the flop or take it away on the turn depending on the card and action. We could play it either way and by you just flatting pre we looke like we had some sort of medium PP.


have to disagree with analysis. our pre flop action screams 99-jj, AK and AQ sometimes QQ, never AA KK. as cougars posted raising donk lead committs us but floating is more reasonable(if we continued)…… the question is, if we float 1).wt if the turn brings an A how do we proceed? crushed by AA as well as AK. 2) wt if its a heart? only thing now we prolly become committed to the hand and not be able to let it go. just my thoughts wt do u all think?

bjizz


First I disagree that our hand screams simply 99-JJ we open and get min raised both somewhat deep. Im flatting any PP here because the implied odds are huge. I have never seen anyone min raise AA or AK preflop especially OOP, most players flat or raise it strong. A comes on the turn Im not putting him on AA or AK and if we did hit the A on the turn we evaluate IP, if he checks we could check behind and get to a cheap showdown and possible value bet or call with the best hand by the river. I understand what cougar posted but Casey in most of his vids raises the weak donk lead, especially on a flop like this. If we raise the flop and a heart comes on the turn we pick up value and can continue to bet IMO.  This is a great board to rep an over pair or a set. I see the point your making and Im ok with folding the flop as the pot is small to our stack and we can find a better spot, but there are other ways to play the hand imo.

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September 14, 2010 - 8:05 pm
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good insight guys, thx!!

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