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October 18, 2012 - 7:46 am
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Thoughts on how I played this hand?  No real reads on villian as I'm new to the table.  I did know that he's not a reg though as tournament shark said he's only played 19 games. My check on the turn was to disguise my hand on what I would consider a very dry board, in the hope to get him to bluff the river.

Cassava Poker $5 + $0.50 No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t50/t100 Blinds – 8 players

TournamentPokerEdge.com Hand History Converter

SB: t8976 89.76 BBs
Hero (BB): t10459 104.59 BBs
UTG: t2717 27.17 BBs
UTG+1: t4659 46.59 BBs
MP1: t4187 41.87 BBs
MP2: t7178 71.78 BBs
CO: t3206 32.06 BBs
BTN: t6853 68.53 BBs

Pre Flop: (t150) Hero is BB with Q of clubs A of clubs
6 folds, SB calls t50, Hero raises to t325, SB calls t225

Flop: (t650) 7 of clubs 2 of clubs Q of hearts (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets t285, SB calls t285

Turn: (t1220) Q of spades (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks

River: (t1220) 9 of spades (2 players)
SB bets t915, Hero raises to t2025, SB raises to t4535…..??

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October 18, 2012 - 11:29 am
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U would off happly got it in on the flop and the turn. i would always bet the turn here because i want to get full value from my hand.

Did he have pck 9s by any chance?

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October 18, 2012 - 11:41 am
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I should of stated that my style is very agg so i would always bet the turn. i see your point about the board being dry and the reason for the check behind. I think it's just one of those spots.

If you bet the turn he rasies he ethier has you crushed or you have him crushed. so it does not make much differance as i feel the chips will be going in no matter what on the turn.

the river you could fold and have about 30bbs left but it would be a tough one. but then again what do we really beat KQ,QJ but why would he raise. but he has only play 19 times so maybe. but i would swear, say nh and fold and berate my luck!!!cry

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October 18, 2012 - 12:32 pm
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Personally I think your flop bet is too small. I prefer 2/3pot or so on this board. Eventhough you have the NFD you still want to get value from the hand if you brick the FD. I lead 1/2 to 2/3 pot on this turn also. You say you want to disguise your hand, does he really put you on a Q if you lead ? You have under-repped your hand by checking the turn. Are you planning to CR the turn ? I'm assuming 22/77/99/Q9/QJ/KQ & lower SC's/FD's are all in his flatting range pre. I'm discounting hands like Q7/79 without any stats. I don't like his check on the turn. His story doesn't stack up for me unless he has filled with 99 on the river.

I think if you are prepared to fold to a re-raise on the river then you should only be calling his bet rather than raising. I don't like this line however because a lot of the time you are losing value. As played I call.

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October 18, 2012 - 12:44 pm
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pokerpiper does raise a good point about rasiing the river and folding. I think it all comes down by not betting the turn and raising the river puts all the decisions out of your control.

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October 18, 2012 - 5:37 pm
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bet/3bet turn, as played call river since this is weaker Q and busted fd's a ton

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October 18, 2012 - 10:39 pm
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Flop:  I think the c-bet is too small.  I bet at least t325 and sometimes up to t415, depending on my opponent.  This is kind of a dry board rank wise, but has a flush draw, so I'd probably split the difference to about 375.  Whenever you are the preflop aggressor and your flop bet is less than your preflop raise, there is something wrong with the sizing.  

Turn:  I bet the turn here.  Your hand is stronger than a bluff catcher now, so build a pot.  Unimproved, I may check for pot contorl/pick off a bluff, but once the third Q hits, you have a hand to start building a pot. 

River:  This is hard spot to determine what is best since you played the hand the way you did.  This is a fine example of FPS that turns around on you having you guessing because you played the hand so wierd, it is hard for him to determine where you are, which makes it hard for you to determine where he is.  Any answer I give here would be just a guess as well, but with our hand, I think I'd probably have to find a call here.

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October 19, 2012 - 12:57 am
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this is a cool spot to cbet same size as our pfr as it gets people to spazz out.

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October 19, 2012 - 6:15 am
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Villain limp/calls preflop so he isn't the kind of player I would expect to float your cbet to bluff at river (though I realise some good players will also limp/call preflop in this spot). If you think you are only getting two streets from him then I don't mind checking back the turn in principle but this is a great turn card for you to barrel because he now feels much more confident with any pair he has so checking back misses a tonne of value imo. On the river I like the raise because you can definitely get a call from worse hands. When he then 3bets it becomes a tough spot. I don't think he does this with a busted flush much at all and so I would imagine he has a pure value range here now. It's hard to imagine he would limp/call 99 or 77 preflop, though 22 is more likely. He could also have Q2s (not clubs obv), Q7s, Q9, or he could be overplaying Qx there. You are now getting about 3 to 1 to make the call and so he would need to be overplaying Qx or bluffing at least 1/4 of the time. I think it's really close but think he can have QK here enough that I would sigh call.

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October 19, 2012 - 10:57 am
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this is B v B right. So Qx is a decent part of his limp call range. I'd be v surprised if he is limp calling hands as strong as QK and 99, i would expect an open raise or even a limp reraise from these hands. 22 and 77 kind of make sense for a limp call, but i'm not sure I like giving a free flop with 77.

 

I think I'm calling this reraise a very large % of the time. if he shows up with a FH, well GL him.

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October 20, 2012 - 5:19 am
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I did end up calling. Should I post results or leave it open as there are a lot of great points still being made? You can pm me if u like.

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Everyone has really good points. I don't know if he is overplaying Qx or 9x often enough to make a call here. Feels like Q9 or idiotic disguised bluff intended to look like value. I might puke fold here.

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U would off happly got it in on the flop and the turn. i would always bet the turn here because i want to get full value from my hand.

Did he have pck 9s by any chance?

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Yep he had 99 which I’d never expect him to l/c pre with BvsB.

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October 22, 2012 - 4:25 pm
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runningouts said:

Villain limp/calls preflop so he isn't the kind of player I would expect to float your cbet to bluff at river (though I realise some good players will also limp/call preflop in this spot). If you think you are only getting two streets from him then I don't mind checking back the turn in principle but this is a great turn card for you to barrel because he now feels much more confident with any pair he has so checking back misses a tonne of value imo. On the river I like the raise because you can definitely get a call from worse hands.

exactly

 

and i feel we have to call his reraise all the time. if we are not prepared to call it we should not raise him on the river.

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