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October 30, 2015
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^^^ Blinds and Antes here are 1500/3000/300 ^^^
It’s an $11 tournament on Merge with 10 minute levels. We have about 13bb to start the hand in the SB. Villain has a VPIP/PFR/3bet of 23/20/8 over 52 hands. We’re already ITM.
I thought that min-raising here could induce a shove from weak Aces that we dominate because it’d look like we could be raise-folding pre in the small blind, and villain certainly looks like a reg who is capable of having that aggression for blind v blind.
When we do go to a flop instead of finishing all the action preflop, I think a cbet is standard on my part. With the draw-heavy flop, though, do you think a call is correct, or do you only see Kings in his range when he’s shoving here? So, ultimately, I have two questions for you all…
1) Was my preflop play correct or would you have just open-shoved?
2) Would line do you think is optimal for this flop? (Bet-call, bet-fold, check-call, check-raise, etc.)?
August 20, 2015
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1. I shove here all the time, as it of course looks weaker than 99 and you’re way, way more often getting called with worse. Raising with such a small stack, what are you trying to say about yoru hand strength to a thinking player who may be familiar with short stack blind on blind shove dynamics?
2. As played, I bet-fold this flop against almost all opponents given that reraise. You’re beat too often. Unlucky, let it go, and shove next time.
June 2, 2013
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bvb I raise about 2.5x, if I want to set for V to shove sometimes I 3x, but with that stack I think I shove most of the time, depend if I have some read on BB tow…
bet fold flop for me.
May 30, 2012
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Sometimes you can try to over think things or get cute. I just STUFF this all day. I don’t see a reason to induce a weak ace or any weak hand. You only have 13bbs……….. now they get to see a cheaper flop and “HIT”. Once they see a King, they are not folding and should be ahead most times …….. unless it’s AA or KK…
Sometimes we can be greedy. In this situation, you either lose a few BB’s or go bust.
Just SHOVE and win the blinds. You’re still in. You could get a huge hand in the next few ……… but you are still IN.
December 30, 2015
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Yeah, just shove. See my recent post about stop-and-go with 99 to learn from my pain ;).
Would V be correct to call PF with K9o? K9s?
October 30, 2015
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It’s funny how your thought patterns can go mental when you’re in the hand. My thought process of min-raising vs. shoving was that he’d only be calling with better (or for a flip) if I did shove. I thought he’d be able to re-jam worse hands (like a weak Ace) after a min-open, so that’s why I went with it in the moment. 13bb seemed deepish at the time 😛 However, looking at it now, if I do shove, I do think he’s certainly capable of calling with worse – A9 or A8 or worse. Even 88 or worse, as a dream.
Funny how one mistake can lead to the next though… by min-raising pre, I ultimately get involved in a nasty flop situation. Looking back, considering the way I played it (with the min-raise pre), I do hate my flop bet-call. I am left with 10bb if I fold there, which — while small — is still a stack that’s worthy of carrying me deep after one double-up. His flop jam-raise screams strength – likely that flopped K, I think, most of the time.
@MovieFX: If I were villain here and small blind jammed, I am NOT calling here with K9, not even suited. At the time, I was probably 8/22 left, or something like that. If someone with that is jamming their stack, I feel like they’re gonna show up with a hand. Otherwise, they can just fold and wait for a better spot. I feel like this just wouldn’t be an optimal spot for K9 at a full table given the situation. Heads-up or 3-handed, it’d be a totally different ballgame. If SB had about 7bb or 8bb here, then I’d consider calling with K9 in the BB. However, it IS for about 35% – 40% of my stack, so I would want to feel pretty confident of my getting it in with my money good (and even moreso when it’s for a greater percent of my stack – like here at 13bb – because if I lose, I’m crippled, and down to a push-or-fold stack).
I appreciate the discussion and want to thank everyone for the input so far! One further question, though:
1) How many big blinds would you have here to go for a raise-call pre instead of a jam. If you’re advising to just open-jam 13bb here, where’s the capped limit? 16bb?
June 2, 2013
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sometimes I open shove with 20bbs, when there is antes,not sure bvb tow, I like more the raise call pre with ~20bb, but raise bigger on SB, 2.5x or 3x …
16bb I think I shove 99 bvb.
August 20, 2015
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Hey – from reading your last reply I think you need to work on your shove fold game especially in the blinds. I am no expert and I am working on it, but I am calling K9 there almost always (final table ladder/ICM considerations may have me folding). A blind vs blind shoving range with 13 bigs can go as low as 34 suited, 67 off, any King, most Queens…
Sitting in the big blind you should be calling a 13bb shove from SB with T8s+, J9o+, Q5s+ K2s+, K3o+, any ace, and any pair.
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