December 25, 2020
Hi all,
This hand is from a $5.25 bounty tournament on GG poker. Got into an interesting spot and i’d like to get everybody’s opinion on whether or not you think the 3rd barrel on the river would be a good play. Also feel free to comment on any earlier decision points in the hand
We’re roughly half way through the tournament, i have recently been moved to this table and have very little info on any of the other players. Blind intervals are 10 minutes. Its an 8 handed table, of which one player has 11 big blinds and the others all have a minimum of 30 big blinds. The hand is as follows:
8 players post ante of 60 , SB posts 200, BB posts 400. Pot: 1080
Folds to Hero in UTG+1 holding As 6d and 42.5 bb’s behind (17,000). We open 2x. Action then folds to the HJ who flats off a stack of 115 bb’s (46,000). Everybody else folds so we are heads up to the flop with a pot of 2,680 and an SPR of about 6.
The flop comes Qs Ks 3c. Hero bets 1,120. Villain flats. We go to the turn with 4,920 in the pot.
The turn brings the 3s, completing the flush draw and pairing the bottom card. Hero bets 3,120. Villain flats again. We go to a river with 11,160 in the pot and a pot sized bet behind for hero.
The river is the 2c, the brickiest brick that’s ever bricked. Now we have to decide do we want to follow through here with the 3rd barrel. If so is this a good combination to do it with? If we do fire again, is it always just all in? Can we just give up here instead? Let me know what you guys think and i’ll post results ASAP.
I will say quickly that upon review of this hand im unhappy having opened this hand pre in the first place, especially noting that the big blind only has 11 bigs behind and should shove pretty wide, to which i’d have to fold. I think the more interesting and less obvious decisions come post flop so i’d really like some feedback on that . Also it’s a first time post so lmk any ways i can make the post more informative/easier to digest etc. Thanks.
December 25, 2020
Yep i agree with you on most points here Mack. The critical error is clearly the pre flop open from us. Perhaps i could defend the decision if we were some kind of overwhelming chip leader or had the table pegged as very weak players, but neither of these things were the case in this scenario.
On the flop i decided to bet because i realised my hand was almost certainly behind and i wanted to continue telling the story of strength and keep the strongest part of my range (AA, KK, QQ, AK) alive. These hands would certainly want to bet for value/protection on such a wet board and i would like to bet my draws some of the time here too. I dont think my nut hands would check here very often if at all. By betting the flop i am trying to fold out some Qx and pairs below the Q. I agree that without the ace of spades i would definitely lean towards checking and folding to most bets, but having the nut spade blocker it seemed like a good spot to start applying pressure to the villain, given that i deemed it unlikely i can get to/win a showdown here. I plan to fold to raises on the flop, continue betting on spade/blank turns and re assessing on turns that pair the K or Q or other broadway cards.
I agree that on the turn once the spade comes we need to go for it again. It was part of my plan to continue barrelling spade turns and i found it more appealing that it was the 3 of spades which paired the board. I loved this card even more because it means my strongest hands (KK, QQ) would also want to keep shovelling money into the pot and they need not worry about my opponent hitting the flush. If this was a spade but didnt pair the 3, perhaps my sets and two pairs may elect to check some portion of the time for fear villain has the flush. I can still have bluffs in my range too with hands like AJ, AT and hands like the one i have, a bare spade. I want to continue putting pressure on Qx, which should mostly fold to a bet now, and some weaker Kx hands. As you said i have a fair nut advantage here as villain likely 3 bets KK and QQ pre and raises with KQ on the flop. Also agree that JTs likely raises the flop more often than not so i’m not overly concerned about flushes at this point. Betting seems good here and i think sizing is ok although i wouldnt mind sizing up a touch more.
Once they call this turn bet, i have to be a bit concerned. Most Qx should be in the muck by now but as you said perhaps some with a spade kicker have hung around. It feels like im against Kx here quite a bit but what Kx does he really have? KJ or maybe K with the Ten of spades very occasionally. Either way i agree with you that we have to go for it for the reasons mentioned. I can have all the nut hands, where they have few, plus i block the best flush and i seemingly have almost 0 showdown value (and if i did have any, the hands im beating would be foolish to check behind).
All signs pointed to the river bet and thats what we did. We shove for 100% pot and villain calls very quickly and shows down Kc Js for top pair. Barring the pre flop open, i like the decisions throughout this hand. I wonder if he calls this shove with KJ without a spade? It is a pretty relevant card for them to have and i think it makes their call somewhat better?
Perhaps trying to get people to fold top pair in a $5 bounty tournament is not the best strategy when they have that extra incentive if they call and are right. Anyway, thanks for your thoughts.
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