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I was listening to the 1st TPE podcast about playing AK early in a tourney and it made me think of a situation I've come across this a lot in tournies.
Early in 3000 chip starting stack tournament – 30/60 blinds
* UTG & MP1 limp: 60
* CUTOFF HERO -> AK raised 150
* Initial Limpers call everyone else folds
* Flop doesn't hit us – dry board with no draws no face cards
* Its checked to us.
Am I cbetting this? This seems like an obvious answer but I find myself being called down street after street with villain holding middle pair all the way down to the river in a lot of the micro tournies.
This Early in a tournie can I pitch AK after the flop since I want to conserve chips?
June 25, 2010
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make your raise size 240-300, 150 is way too small. It depends on opponents and board textures. 456 rainbow is different that 923 rainbow. (I would check-give up the first one, cbet the second one.) Remember you also have some equity with 6 outs that make you top pair, so cbetting isn't horrible in a lot of spots.
Thanks for the input jshil,
When I make it that big am I not losing out on any value that early in a tournament? Won't AJ or worse pitch it?
Or are you making the assumption that people in these tournies will call that large a raise with AJ-A10 maybe 55 or worse?
4-5xing and watching everyone fold feels like a wasted opportunity – or am I thinking the wrong way considering its not a made hand?
The standard is 3x + 1 BB for each limper. If they’re real stations( which is really common in micro stakes) I like going even a little bigger.
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March 17, 2010
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I think you're thinking the wrong way because by keeping it small you're inviting too many situations where you get multiple callers. Since you are going to miss 2/3 of the flops you will need to c-bet a lot and c-betting obviously works better against fewer callers.
You're absolutely right RFB- my main question is I feel like I get spewy when even with one caller in the micros if they connect they will call down with middle pair.
I've started only 1 barrelling and giving up to conserve chips – IS that a LEAK?
they told u… the leak is your small raise with combination of a lot of barrels… its easy raise more and cbet flop… most of the times…
June 22, 2010
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I am surprised you received many callers. Normally your bet size would be ok but with that many stations I agree that raising a little more would be good. You will have to take that into consideration from game to game. However, I do agree a C-bet is in order. If I come in with a raise I will C-bet everytime to help disguise my hands, the only time I do not C-bet is if I get a donk bet before me then I will tank on the situation. I basically will not play raise a hand if I am not prepared to C-bet.
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March 17, 2010
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tigerspeck said:
You're absolutely right RFB- my main question is I feel like I get spewy when even with one caller in the micros if they connect they will call down with middle pair.
I've started only 1 barrelling and giving up to conserve chips – IS that a LEAK?
yeah I think it's a leak. The way the game has evolved is that you are expected to c-bet nearly 100% of the time so you're going to get floated a lot and you have to be willing to put in a 2nd barrel to pick up the chips, where 2 years ago it took one barrel. It costs more but it also pays more. By limiting your c-bet strategy to 1 barrel you're playing exploitative strategy.
As far as when to fire a 2nd barrel that's a tough one to answer in a vacuum. It depends on preflop action, position, what cards are out there etc. Post some hands where you are thinking about it and we can examine in more detail.
Bigdog did a video on floating which might help.
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