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Three barreling with middle pair + flush draw (that misses)
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August 6, 2017 - 7:09 pm
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Hi TPE.

I´m new to the forum, and this is my first post. I have played poker for a while, but now i´m getting more serious about it and want to improve my game. Hence the reason i signed up to this site. English is not my first language, so excuse me for any mistakes smile

I know I made mistakes in this hand, and I´m aware that I am not a great poker player (yet, hopefully), so feedback will be appreciated.

This was in a 5,50 1R1A €5000 GTD tournament on a site called Guts, which is mainly used by scandinavian player i think. It was in the early stages, and there were no re-shove stacks or anything like that preflop.

We were currently 7-handed and the blinds were 30/60, with no ante.

Preflop:
Villain from UTG+1 (stack 4715) opens for 120
CO (stack 15632) calls
HERO (stack 8013) calls from the small blind with Jspade8spade.
BB folds

Now, I´m pretty sure calling in the small blind with J8s is a mistake, and I don´t really know why I did that to be honest. I don´t know if it´s the end of the world, considering it is a suited “connector”, getting a decent price and not too worried about the big blind squeezing unless he has a hand. But a mistake nonetheless. Also, if this were a full ring table I would fold. The table was generally kinda loose, so I did not think that villain had to have a very strong range to be opening from UTG+1, especially when we were 7-handed.

Flop: Kspade4spadeJdiamond (420)                                              
Hero checks
Villain bets 210
CO folds
Hero raises to 644
Villain calls

So I flop a pretty strong hand here. And I didn´t want to check-call OOP and then be in a wierd spot if the turn bricks. I also thought villain was going to c-bet almost 100% on this board, so I do expect a decent amount of folds when i check-raise. Which is fine, because I don´t think i´m getting value from worse hands anyways on later streets, and I could potentially fold out something like KT, although I dont really expect a king to fold just yet. 

When i look at his calling range, which I think can look something like this: KT+, KJ, all sets, AT and AQ of spades, AA, maybe something like AJ with the Aspade, and maybe even something like QTs:. I have about 45% equity against that range on the flop, so getting called isn´t too bad? And I can probably fold out some better hands on later streets. Some of those hands in that range probably get 3-bet some of the time, but I still think it is a reasonable range.

Turn: (Kspade4spadeJdiamond) 5club (1708)
Hero bets 877
Villain calls 

I wanted keep barreling here, maybe fold out some kings and maybe an AspadeJx. And if he had something like QTs, I dont want to check and face a bet. Although he probably does not bet that. I have about 30% equity on the turn against that range I mentioned earlier, and I expect to get some folds from better hands

River: (Kspade4spadeJdiamond5club) 2diamond (3462)
Hero bets 1799

At this point I still think he can have a single king (KQ, AK) which I think I can fold out. Also If he had a big draw like AT or AQ of spades he would have to fold now. And I know I´m beating that, but if I check and he jams that as a bluff, I have to fold. Maybe something like AA fold here sometimes too. I still think he can have sets and KJ on the river. Some may say he would 3-bet flop or raise turn with those hands, which may be true. But a lot of the times I think he would flat IP and let me barrel off. I realize now, that I rep a pretty narrow range of value hands here on the river. Something I did not really think about during the hand. I guess I´m only repping 44 and KJ, because I would 3-bet KK and JJ preflop. And maybe exactly Aspade3spade.  And of course the FD missed which villain might have put me on. 

Also, If I was going to bluff river, I should probably shove, seeing that he had about 3000 in his stack with the pot being 3462 on the river. 

So I might be totally off with ranges and stuff, so I would like some feedback. It´s kind of new to me to really think though some of this stuff, and like I said earlier, I didn´t really think about some of it during the hand. What value hands I can have on the river etc.

Thanks!

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August 6, 2017 - 9:36 pm
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Fold pre flop.

Check-raise bigger OTF so you can shove turn.

Maybe consider check calling river? not sure, i am in a hurry to watch GoT cool, seems there is some busted draws that V may shove if you check, and you won´t get called by worst hands IMO.

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Yeah I know I should fold preflop, as stated in the original post. But just wanted some input as played. I also know I wont get called on the river by worse hands if that´s what you mean. It´s a bluff, not a value bet. Also, I don´t want to check-call the river. There aren´t that many busted draws V can have at that point IMO. AT and AQ of spades, which there are only two combos total.

So what I think will often happen if I check the river is that V checks behind and wins with something like a king. If he shoves I would fold, due to the very few busted draws I think he can have. When he would probably shove KJ, sets and maybe AK for value once I check to him. 

Thanks for replying smile

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August 12, 2017 - 11:28 am
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I don’t like your line at all here, really. On the flop you have a hand with so much equity and such good equity retention that it doesn’t make sense to put it in your check-raise bluffing range when villain’s bet-calling range on the flop has you crushed. Most of the hands that villain bet-folds on the flop are also ones that have poor equity against your hand.

Combine these two factors and you’ve got a situation where check-raising leads to you playing an inflated pot against a strong range in a spot where you’re going to have to try to get villain to fold a strong top pair, while check-calling leads to you getting to realize a ton of equity, being able to check-call again on literally any turn card, and keeping villain’s range wide enough to induce some turn and river bluffs. What makes you think it’d be a weird spot if the turn bricks?

On turn I’m reasonably confident you get close to 0 folds. This makes it a spot where since villain is folding the turn very rarely, they may possibly fold the river a little more often – their range will be just a little wider when getting to river – but ultimately the river itself is such a brick that I still don’t think they’re likely to fold there. The flush draw bricks off, so a guy with AK here (a hand you don’t block) or AA (also not blocked) can just think you have a flush draw and snap call, even if you jam river. I don’t think you’re getting those hands to fold here – plus, villain can have combos of KK, 44, the one JJ, and some combos of KJ also.

Once you do check-raise flop, I much prefer check-calling turn to try to realize equity for the river. It’s a disaster if you bet turn, villain jams, and you get pushed off your equity. Calling preflop is not a big deal multiway (you’re probably being a little results-oriented saying it’s a mistake), it’s probably fine, but bear in mind that the less confident you are postflop, the harder it is to justify calling wider preflop.

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