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Thoughts on this guys call
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July 29, 2010 - 2:25 pm
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Should he be calling here with any two???

 

Poker Stars $6.00 No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t1500/t3000 Blinds + t150 – 4 players
Hand Conversion courtesy of Tournament Poker Edge

Dakicker (SB): BB = 3.5, t10532
wawryn1410 (BB): BB = 10.1, t30154
chilloutrich (CO): BB = 4.8, t14370
NL_BOR (BTN): BB = 4.1, t12444

Pre Flop: (t5100) Dakicker is SB with 9 of clubs T of hearts
2 folds, Dakicker raises to t10382 all in, wawryn1410 calls t7382

Flop: (t21364) 6 of diamonds 2 of diamonds 7 of hearts (2 players – 1 is all in)

Turn: (t21364) K of hearts (2 players – 1 is all in)

River: (t21364) Q of spades (2 players – 1 is all in)

Final Pot: t21364
Dakicker shows 9 of clubs T of hearts (high card King)
wawryn1410 shows 5 of hearts J of spades (high card King – Queen Jack kicker)
wawryn1410 wins t21364

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July 29, 2010 - 2:38 pm
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yes, i think so.  7k to win 21k.

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July 29, 2010 - 3:14 pm
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Yeah I guess so, if he has two live cards it has to be +EV. But with the stacks the way they were I was hoping he would fold to preserve the chip lead.  I clearly must shove guess the situation played itself.

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…and from the micro-stake peanut gallery: with a table of four players in a $6 tourney situation, players more often than not push all-in with almost anything even slightly resembling a hand; shoving a T9o is a good hand at this level of play. In addition to all you guys pointed out, since wawryn1410 holds a face card and only falls behind the villain by about 1.5K or so in total chips – everyone should be shoving when they play hands – even if he loses the hand, a call here works.

 

The question I have is this: would you guys shove w/ the T9o from the SB, or would you wait to see if the next two rounds brought you a better hand?

I would have waited. I already paid the SB, so I have 8.5K left. I can only lose 300 more chips at most before I'm absolutely forced to shove. I know the mandated play is shove w/ any two – or just about any two.

But.

Here everyone is waaaay short-stacked and should be in survival, yet parenthetically in chip-up mode simultaneously. In two hands what happens if someone busts? I move up one spot ITM, very good for me. And should I wake up with a face card or better and shove my play becomes a nice +EV situation.

What do you think about this (I hope this perceived as isn't hijacking the thread…).

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T9o has way to much equity to fold when first to act here so I think it's perfectly fine to shove it.  If you were talking about 37 i might fold given how shallow everyone is.

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July 29, 2010 - 4:46 pm
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any two is correct in his spot

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July 29, 2010 - 5:32 pm
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jshilling09 said:

any two is correct in his spot


 +1000.

And what RFB said – T9 has too much equity. It flops well against tons of hands that call you.

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Okay guys, here’s where I have a problem understanding EV. According to an EV chart (flopturnriver.com) T9o has a higher EV than J5o. Yet, using Bluff’s Poker Hand Calculator, Ts 9c is an at least 54-44.5% to 81%-18% dog against any hand from Js 2h to As Ah.

How is this?… Help! (i’m chuckling…)

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Count the dead money already in the pot and you can download and then use PokerStove to run T9o against almost every hand combo – you can exclude stuff like 27o, 26o, etc. since I don't think ATC call but nearly all will.

It's blind vs. blind so only one person can call you. Antes come out every hand. You could get total rags the next two hands and all of a sudden the blinds are on you again and then you have nothing even though you have nothing already.

All of this makes it a shove here.

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Gotta agree with the shove here, T9o flops way to nicely to let it go. Its BvB so there is a decent change considering he is also short that you aren't going to get a call which is fantastic and chances are if he calls you are going to be live which is added benefit.

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July 30, 2010 - 10:55 am
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Right. In the odd chance he has some lame hand like 38o and decides to just fold it you increase your stack 50% (lol at how shallow it's gotten)

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