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September 14, 2014
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#Game No : 692588001 ***** 888poker Hand History for Game 692588001 ***** $15/$30 Blinds No Limit Holdem - *** Tournament #69323659 $6.35 + $0.65 - Table #13 9 Max (Real Money) Seat 5 is the button Total number of players : 9 Seat 1: jasiu123 ( $5,000 ) Seat 2: tartansheep ( $5,245 ) Seat 3: Nadyanigay ( $4,735 ) Seat 4: Gagroo ( $4,445 ) Seat 5: sweetslut99 ( $4,955 ) Seat 6: Benc1116 ( $5,379 ) Seat 7: london_ace ( $15,271 ) Seat 9: bybyka ( $4,970 ) Seat 10: tubata86 ( $5,000 ) Benc1116 posts small blind [$15] london_ace posts big blind [$30] ** Dealing down cards ** Dealt to london_ace [ 4, Q
] bybyka folds tubata86 folds jasiu123 calls [$30] tartansheep folds Nadyanigay folds Gagroo folds sweetslut99 folds Benc1116 calls [$15] london_ace checks ** Dealing flop ** [ Q
, A
] Benc1116 checks london_ace bets [$45] jasiu123 raises [$225] Benc1116 folds london_ace calls [$180] ** Dealing turn ** [ T
Hey
no reads.
first of all i'd like to say that i was unsure if i should 3-bet flop or if i should just call. I think calling has more merit
rather then 3betting. If we 3-bet i dont think worse hands are calling and if we call we can keep villians range wide and keep worse hands in.
There's not a lot of bad turn cards for us either so calling seems okay overall so i called. The turn is probably the worse card for me as KJ got there
, villian may have raise this otf and for them to continue to betting the turn i'd say there range is pretty strong espically since they seem passive (v limped in pre)
so they may also have 44 which they are playing aggressively.
when we get to the turn they made it a psb , i'm not sure how often i should be calling here, though i dont think folding is terrible ott espically vs a passive opponent.
thoughts please?
cheers.
September 14, 2014
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I forgot to add that 44 may also be unlikely since there's not many combo's of that or even a hand like A4. I'm not sure if we should assume that this opponent may limp in with AA/AQ? I mean if we knew that then folding the turn seems better.
April 6, 2015
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Well if he is a passive opponent then I don't think he is raising KJ on that flop! If he limped in, there is no flush draw and no real straight draws that he can have after raising the flop, and he is normally passive as you say (although he has a starting stack, is that coincidence?), then I would expect A4 or 44 a lot here. Or it not those, then ace rag that is being overplayed. We're crazy deep so I'd probably just call and evaluate the river.
Incidentally, how did we get 500bb? What's our image like?
November 24, 2013
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Check call turn (against tight villain: fold), check call river unless bet is very large and/or the river is bad (A,K,J,T). Dont think KJ is very likely either. 3betting flop is definitely ok, ppl dont fold an A often enough, especially not a good A.
September 14, 2014
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@pearl , I manged to get 500bb in multi way pot with a strong hand lol 🙂 as for my image , i'd say tight and aggressive.
@fire, you say people dont fold an ace that often espically not a good A. i do agree with this ,however if we decide to 3-bet and villian 4-bet shoves we're going to be put in a tough spot imo. I mean villians range is not really just going to conisist of good aces like AK/AJ.I also think that AK would not be limped in pre so that even makes it less likely that they have a good ace, If they have raised otf with a hand like AK/AJ then we're in good shape against those anyhow and if they've raised the flop with AQ we're behind. A4s seem likely and so does 44 , again we do have blockers to do that. I must say though ingame i was thinking this player may be the type that raises a hand like Ax for information , once i call though and they bet turn for a psb , that changes things quite a bit. I mean would they really continue to fire 3 streets with ace rag or a hand like AT/AJ? i could have a hand like KJ in my range when i call that flop raise for sure. I honestly think calling flop is fine , however if we knew that this playert is capable of raising a hand like AT/AJ otf then that would be a better reason to 3-bet because we can get 3-streets of value from an opponent that is capable of calling down light, unless of course the board gets scary on the turn and river then we would have to re-evalulate.
April 6, 2015
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I'm not sure him firing the turn necessarily changes much – most players will bet big on the turn after raising the flop so big. I don't think there's anything wrong with just calling the flop though.
November 24, 2013
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folding_aces_pre_yo said:
@fire, you say people dont fold an ace that often espically not a good A. i do agree with this ,however if we decide to 3-bet and villian 4-bet shoves we're going to be put in a tough spot imo…
True, but here you decided to call and were put in a tough spot too. If villain wants, he can always put you to the test whether you want to play for essentially all your chips. But if you want to go AI Id rather do it OTF than OTT here. Not saying it is correct, standard play should be to fold, but it is villain dependant. I agree that this is a tricky spot but it always is when youre very deep, OOP and with a good but not invincible hand and villain wants to play big.
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