September 14, 2014
#Game No : 658117777
***** 888poker Hand History for Game 658117777 *****
$50/$100 Blinds No Limit Holdem – ***
Tournament #65254375 $10 + $1 – Table #8 9 Max (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 1: Nofamous ( $4,662 )
Seat 2: bsearle1975 ( $6,354 )
Seat 3: KissMyBass81 ( $3,035 )
Seat 4: cassandr4 ( $2,775 )
Seat 5: Zhadan.E.O. ( $3,500 )
Seat 6: Jameson29 ( $2,160 )
Seat 7: tassio_ita ( $2,249 )
Seat 9: cmike0685 ( $2,335 )
Seat 10: london_ace ( $6,656 )
cassandr4 posts small blind [$50]
Zhadan.E.O. posts big blind [$100]
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to london_ace [ Q, A]
Jameson29 folds
tassio_ita folds
cmike0685 folds
london_ace raises [$200]
Nofamous folds
bsearle1975 folds
KissMyBass81 folds
cassandr4 folds
Zhadan.E.O. calls [$100]
** Dealing flop ** [ 5, K, T ]
Zhadan.E.O. checks
london_ace bets [$195]
Zhadan.E.O. calls [$195]
** Dealing turn ** [ 8 ]
Zhadan.E.O. checks
london_ace checks
** Dealing river ** [ 3 ]
Zhadan.E.O. checks
london_ace checks
Hey
reads – V is a good reg , has been playing solid.
thoughts on bluffing river? or do you prefer to check down as we may have some showdown value?
It's just that when v checked river i discounted strong hands from there range , i think even Kx would bet river for value. V has pretty much capped there range which is pairs below the king. Hands like KT, QT, JT T9s, maybe pocket pairs 66/77/99 , i dont think they'll have a draw here that often since i really do think v will play their draws aggresively otf.
I think for hero to check back turn ,it looks kinda weak , if we were going to bluff it would of been to do that on the turn, so if hero does bluff river we may get called , unless of course we shove?
Overbet shoving would be terrible imo. Its wayyyy too big.
I dont really know why you’re considering a bluff here. AQo has good showdown value and im sure you arent getting many better hands than yours to fold. Even 66, 77 or 99 which would be the best candidates to have villain fold may call a river bet.
September 14, 2014
I did some quick math and correct me if I am wrong. When we get to the river the pot is 840 chips and you are playing villains effective stack of 3,105. 4x overbet shoving a board in early stages, pre-ante is pretty massive.
What value hands are you overbet shoving on this board?
September 14, 2014
value hands i’m shoving will probably be hands like sets/two pair type of hands and TPTK , it really depends on what my value target is and my opponents tendencies. i’t pretty decent to balance your value/bluff hands on the river by doing these sorta moves , just puts them in nasty spots.
I agree if you are going to be overbet shoving for value you need to balance some bluffs. I think however that this particular hand is a better candidate for a check behind as we have good showdown value. I would be betting smaller than 4x pot with sets and 2 pairs to make villain have a wider calling range and think in the longterm it would show more profit.
I was waiting for your reply about the value hands before i mentioned that with these effective stacks on this board we would be 3barreling our hands for value, not checking the turn and betting the river. Andrew did mention this above also. All sets (KK, TT, 55) and 2pr (KT) would 3barrel for max value. This makes it really hard for us to represent anything of value on the river and the overbet wouldnt make sense to a decent hand reader.
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