Home
(0 votes) 
I was starting to get deep in this MTT, when i am dealt AK UTG, raise 4 bb, and got reraised from UTG+1, my options, of course, flat call, fold or re raise (shove all in)..
I assumed Villian was holding this range “QQ, JJ, TT, AQ”.. i thought that at worst case i would have been facing KK, with some outs at least.
But unfortunately for me,it was not nice to see the instant call and AA.. Miracle didn't happen and out of the tournament.
Well the question is.. due to my stack size and opponent's stack, i really did a bad play, didn't I?.. i really don't like flat calling with AK, so it was Shove or fold for me.., but at the same time, a call would have saved me from losing the tournament in that hand.
I saw stats of the villian before making my move an they didn't show the tightest game, so that influenced my decision as well. (i had already folded to a 3bet from him before in the MTT as well)
—————————————–
Poker Stars $10+$1 No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t800/t1600 Blinds + t150 – 9 players
TournamentPokerEdge.com Hand History Converter
ccd31 (BB): BB = 18.5, t29639
Hero (UTG): BB = 31.5, t50475
POKER_K1NG06 (UTG+1): BB = 38.7, t61974
JCSX (UTG+2): BB = 4.4, t7013
prncssbtrcup (MP1): BB = 3.7, t5955
mr midknight (MP2): BB = 20.9, t33515
BamaAngelo (CO): BB = 7.3, t11720
Jigs Flippin (BTN): BB = 4.5, t7162
shale0984 (SB): BB = 22.7, t36330
Pre Flop: (t3750) Hero is UTG with A
K
Hero raises to t6400, POKER_K1NG06 raises to t18200, 7 folds, Hero raises to t50325 all in, POKER_K1NG06 calls t32125
Flop: (t104400) Q 2 3
(2 players – 1 is all in)
Turn: (t104400) J (2 players – 1 is all in)
River: (t104400) 6
(2 players – 1 is all in)
Final Pot: t104400
Hero shows A K (high card Ace)
POKER_K1NG06 shows A A (a pair of Aces)
POKER_K1NG06 wins t104400
I think raising 4x UTG is overkill. As far as the hand goes, it's AK vs AA, it's going to happen. But be wary of people 3betting an UTG player raising 4x, it's never going to be light.
thanks for the answer.. it seems i still cant free myself from that little voice inside me that says “whatever” when i am in a difficult spot like this one
.. I raised 4B that spot with the intention to call any smaller stack shove, but things went wrong and the player i didn't want on the pot was there..
Tough spot and difficult to fold AK here. The only way I am getting away here is making my standard 2.25x raise pre and then possibly folding.
If your AK was suited, however, I am never folding.
maybe its wrong but I'm getting away from AKo here easily(I don't open 4bb ofc)- if we have notes that he is spazing out here or he is a drooling mindless zombie. than we can jam, but his range crushes us+ he has the only stack that has us covered, the only guy we don't want to tangle with.
and don't ever raise 4bb— the ONLY exception is when you are playing against a calling station and you have a monster, then your goal is to make the pot as big as you can. and he is going to call with w/e no mather the sizing.thats about it
This is a good spot for me to talk about how I see poker a little different sometimes. I think sometimes we get so caught up in shove/fold mode we forget to pay attention to the little tendencies that can make decisions way easier. This might just be a small example of this.
I think the 4x UTG is overkill for sure and does not do much for you that min betting-2.5x could do. However, since you basically did overbet with 30bbs and UTG+1 still had no problem 3betting you, even knowing the rest of the table is still to act is a clear monster hand. Sometimes you have the same hand or you are flipping with smaller pairs but given we can get an easy read that he is holding a monster I have no problem letting it go. We still have a good stack that does damage after we fold.
So I think a lot of responses come out and people just have the mindset that I have 30bb's and have AK then they are never folding and if beat its just a cooler. I disagree. Just my thoughts…gl to everyone.
TPE Pro
TPE Management
July 20, 2010
Offline
open size is to big but other than that its all going in pre here its simply a cooler.
Well i did my homework and watched some bet sizing videos, i found some leaks in my game related to that issue after watching them.. so it was a positive outcome at the end of the line, thanks for your time guys.
Just unlucky man, with 30ish BB I dont find myself getting away from this.
I'd try and open smaller. We don't want to scare off weaker aces by our 4x. With our stack I'm probably never folding AK.
Look what i have found in an article of another site.., all your opinions up in the thread means this article is no good and i should stick to 2,25-3 bb raises then?.. reading this article after posting really confused me.. (or maybe the article is for cash games?)
I think i will try both and see what it is best suitable and profitable for me..
|
|
|
wilmont said:
Tough spot and difficult to fold AK here. The only way I am getting away here is making my standard 2.25x raise pre and then possibly folding.
If your AK was suited, however, I am never folding.
The one thing that the hand history doesn't tell us is how deep they are in the tourney. If the blinds are 800/1600 then they're probably deep into the money. SWAG would be 30-50 left.
At this point it's far more important to be aggressive chipping up rather than nitting your way to one or two pay levels. The real money is in the top 5 or 6 spots, particulary the top 3. There's not a whole lot of differene between min cash, 50th place, and 18th place. For that matter, there's not as much difference as you would think in 27th place and final table.
I'm not saying become a spewy mad man. You should always try to get your money in good. But at this point I have no problem playing a premium hand for all my chips preflop.
Ultra Kiwi said:
Look what i have found in an article of another site.., all your opinions up in the thread means this article is no good and i should stick to 2,25-3 bb raises then?.. reading this article after posting really confused me.. (or maybe the article is for cash games?)
I think i will try both and see what it is best suitable and profitable for me..
Preflop Raise Sizing
Open Raise Sizing
An optimal raise sizing strategy will adjust the raise size based on our position at the table and th players behind us. When we are under the gun, we should open to 4 times the big blind. By doing this we cut down on players calling ranges as we are providing them with less direct implied odds. We also want to put more money in the pot preflop with the strongest part of our range. Under the gun is the position on the table where our range is strongest, thus we can increase our raise size in this position.
As we move around a 6 max table, we can decrement our raise size by half a blind. Under the gun +1, we can raise to 3.5 times the big blind. In the cutoff we can make it 3x the blind and on the button we can make it just 2.5 times the big blind or even minraise.
Yeah i would disregard this article your raise size should be based on your stack size and the stacks behind you as everyone has said min to 2.5 is the best options with shallower stacks……I'm getting AK in here with 30bbs just a cooler kiwi don't sweat it 
October 6, 2010
Offline
in cash games that strategy is prolly ok, but in MTTs, sizing should me MUCH smaller.
2.5-3x pre antes or when everyone is 80+bb deep is ok, 2-2.5x in mid stages is ok, and 2-2.2 in late stages is probably a decent general rule
Most Users Ever Online: 2780
Currently Online:
31 Guest(s)
Currently Browsing this Page:
1 Guest(s)
Top Posters:
bennymacca: 2616
Foucault: 2067
folding_aces_pre_yo: 1133
praetor: 1033
theginger45: 924
P-aire 146: 832
Turbulence: 768
The Riceman: 731
duggs: 591
florianm1: 588
Newest Members:
Tillery999
sdmathis89
ne0x00
adrianvaida2525
Anteeater
Laggro
Forum Stats:
Groups: 4
Forums: 24
Topics: 12705
Posts: 75003
Member Stats:
Guest Posters: 1063
Members: 12008
Moderators: 2
Admins: 5
Administrators: RonFezBuddy, Killingbird, Tournament Poker Edge Staff, ttwist, Carlos
Moderators: sitelock, sitelock_1
