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There are pros like Bigdog and Shaun Deeb that massive multi-tabling without a HUD, and there are those who swear by it. I am just wondering if those stats is accurate even when you have a large sample on a player. With the constantly changing dynamics of tournament poker, a player's range will be very fluid in different stages. Bigdog will be playing something like 7/7 early and 32/28 late. Take into account the rebuy period, the stats will be more distorted, skewing towards passiveness. So my question is, how do we interpret the stats to accurately reflect a player's tendency during a particular stage of tournament? Is there a way to display stats relevant only to that stage? ie 3-bet% when BB>starting stack?
I have been using a hud, but personally i've been questioning their use without a large sample size. Something you are only ever going to get playing regs & even then stats are it is heavily imbalanced between differences in play early through late stages.
Poker is a game of limited information so the more you have the better your decisions should be. Are the stats always applicable?….no. But they can make a difference to win a big pot or helping avoid losing a big pot in some situations.
Some people don't use them as a matter of preference and others (like good pros) just understand the dynamics of the game so well in terms of stack sizes, tournament stages and position that they make most of their decisions based on that.
Stats a very usefull to identify tendencys player pools with many unknown players like low and midstages.
Especially to identify very nitty or very loose players, many times 30-50 hands are enough to put them into
some archetypes. I am not saying this is 100% but like 85% trustworthy. So when you are playing 6 or more tables
you save some time. Which you can use to cocentrate on the in between players or table dynamics and so on.
BigDog and some other pros are playing mostly high stackes mtts which have some more regs in it. So they know
each other a lot better and dont need stats to proof their read. But I think thats a natural talent, which is
hard to learn.
I noticed in Weins videos that he only uses the actual stats of the hands being played at the current table.
Maybe you try this?
July 3, 2010
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AlwaysUltra gave a nice reply.
HUDs are really good at lower stakes when you're multi-tabling and on autopilot. It helps you spot the 60/6 fish at the table that you might have otherwise missed.
You can't only rely on a HUD, though … it's your eyes and ears for the first hour but then you need to know things about gameflow and who is tightening up versus who is opening up their game.
I play about 12/12 early on but my stats change drastically in mid-stages and late stages. I'm probably more like 30/24 as the game goes on. But if you were to only look at your HUD stats you'd see that look more like 18/14 over 135 hands and by then I've probably crushed you just a little.
The HUD is nice to have as long as you know what to do with it.
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March 17, 2010
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AlwaysUltra really nailed it.
I the early to mid stages I'm generally playing a ton of tables so I'm not watching each one closely. When I get into a hand, if i notice a guy is 8/4 over 50 hands or he's 29/17 I feel like you can definitely make some assumptions. If we're talking about 12 hands it's different or if someone is 18/12 over 30 it's hard to really get a read on them but the ends of the spectrum seem to be more valid.
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July 20, 2010
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i know shaun deeb well and was playing online with him in Tunica Misssissippi and he had his hud running so dont know where you got the info from that he doesnt run a hud. ive learned everything i know about online poker from bigdogpckt5s and at no time has he ever used a hud. for me the hud is in my brain and i choose to play the game by insticts and knowledge and have always felt that if you need a hud to be succesful at poker you already are at a disadvantage and that being that you may not have the brain cappacity to be a poker player
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i think devolping your your poker brain is paramount to success and the more you can put on your brain i think over time your game will improve and allowing software devices to do some of the thinking or guess work for you is cheating your overall progression as a player. theres not 1 pro player that we see everyday on TV or read about that got where they are today using software devices they have all naturally prgressed. i understand that these are just tools to help one better there game but the #1 ranked player in the world is Bigdogpckt5s and i know for a fact hes never used one or even considered it
This thread is pretty timely for me. I just stopped using a hud a few days ago and have since made some deep runs in several tournaments including two final tables and a 180 sng win. I can't say for sure that not running a hud was the reason but I feel like I made better decisions without the hud. I am sure the videos here didn't hurt.
Not sure why but the hud has always seemed a bit distracting to me. Also, there were times when my head said one thing and the numbers said something different. I suspect like anything else there are some people that a hud works well for and some that it doesn't.
June 11, 2010
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I recently added a HUD into my play and I have to say that I have seen it be helpful in specific situations. I have found that with the low/micro stakes area there are so many players that it is nice to see it pop up some stats and it helps to jog my memory that i do know the person. Also when seeing someone who is an extreme player type it helps me frame up some decisions. I think you would be doing yourself a huge disservice if you relied on it for the majority of your decisions, but it isn't a bad tool to have while you develop your ability to read opponents.
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lespaulgman said:
I recently added a HUD into my play and I have to say that I have seen it be helpful in specific situations. I have found that with the low/micro stakes area there are so many players that it is nice to see it pop up some stats and it helps to jog my memory that i do know the person. Also when seeing someone who is an extreme player type it helps me frame up some decisions. I think you would be doing yourself a huge disservice if you relied on it for the majority of your decisions, but it isn't a bad tool to have while you develop your ability to read opponents.
Yeah I agree with this. Shouldn't rule your play but when used right it additional information.
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