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January 5, 2015
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$570 Live Event
300-600-75
V1: she is a nitty player and has about 14k.
V2: has about 50k. Old man who calls a lot of raises with a fairly wide range –
V3: has about 45k. Another old man who calls a lot of raises – same as other old man
Me: TAGgy – has about 21k
V1 Limps UTG. Folds to V2 who calls; V3 calls.
We are in SB with A
Q
(BB is super nit). I raise to 2600. V1 snap shoves. V2 and V3 snap fold.
What do you do?
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December 6, 2012
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I think about this before I raise. And if I’m not going to call the shove, I don’t raise.
August 20, 2015
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This is a fold – you’re behind here, always, and I don’t know how large the table was but let’s say 9 handed then pot is 600(BB)+600 (UTG limp) + 600 (V2 call) + 600 (V3 limp) + 675 (antes) + 2600 (your raise) = 5675, plus he shove of about 14k, let’s call it 13.5 after her limp = 19,175 and you need to call another 16,575… with a smaller shove from V1 we might be getting the right price, but we’re at best 43% dog to an underpair and around 30% against QQ or KK, and 25% against AK and a measly 7.5% against AA…
I don’t think this can be a call. I’m bad at this math but I think you need 46% equity to make this call and I don’t think you have clost to that in this scenario. Better players than I can comment here please?
Foucault’s advice here is the best – did you fold? Take the 2600 chip sting as a lesson to only be prepared to raise if you’ll call the limp shove. That’s gold advice.
February 2, 2013
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I you smell a rat from the UTG limp, well then I agree with Andrew’s advice of not raising unless you are willing to call a shove. But if you think that you can get a fold or a call a good % of the time, then what is wrong with the Hero’s raise ?
Surely it is not right to let the Utg player limp into pots all the time though I do realize that the other players would adjust it the Utg player was limping a lot
February 5, 2015
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Yes although I agree with Andrew that I think about whether I will call vs a limp-shove before I play the hand (unless I have some read then almost never… I always have a whiff of a rat when I see someone open limp), I don’t agree with not raising…even if I am always folding to a push…unless V1 is always limp-shoving.
I defer to Andrew’s experience and advice, maybe I am missing something, but personally I am very nearly always raise-folding (to a shove) here, unless some kind of dynamic has been created already.
Oh…and BTW it is both hilarious and frightening to me the degree of ageism in poker. Ageism is rife in two of the three fields I am very involved in… (fortunately not all three!).
Due to some legal problems I ran into some years back (we won’t go there) I found myself unable to gain legitimate employment as a pilot. I am currently trying to regain employment with an airline. But although ageism is illegal in most industries, for some reason in commercial aviation and poker it is alive and well. The phrase they use in aviation is – “The applicant will have experience commensurate with age”. I don’t yet qualify for “old man” status, but equally I could not be considered a “young gun”. I suppose I must be some kind of “middle-aged” jerk-off. I just turned 40. Oh and in case you don’t know it yet…brother…those years from 25-40 pass by quick! There is in fact a mathematical reason why time seems to go by faster as we age…as we spend more time on Earth, each unit of time, as a percentage of our total experience, gets smaller and smaller.
Can somebody please establish for me once and for all exactly what qualifies as an “old man”? Phil Hellmuth is over 50, but he doesn’t look like an old man to me…
February 20, 2015
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I just turned 40 last month. I’m not middle aged, but I am a jerkoff.
January 5, 2015
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The Riceman said
Can somebody please establish for me once and for all exactly what qualifies as an “old man”? Phil Hellmuth is over 50, but he doesn’t look like an old man to me…
Hehe…I feel ya Rice. I am turning 45 myself July 17th and would label me as middle aged guy with a Peter Pan complex LOL.
The “Old Men” in my post were both in there 70s (one was maybe 80). Great guys and we had a ball playing.
And you just turned 40 bro…you are not old by any stretch of the word. In fact, IMO, by the time you and I reach our 70s I would say the life expectancy to be 80+ for American men…and that just means you and have to final table the main event as 85 yo geezers together sir 🙂
February 5, 2015
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Ahhh I feel rejuvenated! I get paranoid sometimes in poker that I am surrounded by hotshot 22 year old ? phenoms…(lol when I wrote that I thought the emoticon was of a hotshot poker kid wearing a headset…in fact it some old crone with grey hair (like me)).
I’m not knocking these kids…in many ways they are the ultimate poker players…having done nothing in their lives except accrue millions of hands of experience in their bedrooms or wherever…but when they look back at their lives I wonder whether they won’t feel they would have benefitted from more life experiences? Having said that, all I did with my youth is get twisted out my mind and shove every opportunity I had down the toilet.
So I can’t talk.
December 30, 2015
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I’m going to go with:
Middle-aged > 50
Old man > 70
I’m hoping to be an old man for a very long time too. Maybe even a dirty one.
February 5, 2015
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I like that. It fits me well…good for at least 10 years!
February 5, 2015
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“I defer to Andrew’s experience…”
Defer is not the right word…but I can’t think of what I want to say…can anyone help me?
Defer means to put off or adjourn…I think.
I yield? It sounds a bit OTT.
Edit: I just Googled the Webster definition of ‘defer’…it turns out I am more literate than I realised:
“To yield respectfully in judgement or opinion”.
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