I hate spots like this because why would someone with the nuts over-bet the pot like that when you’ve been betting so small. I agree his line looks like a boat and it is probably a great fold, but doesn’t he have to put you on exactly QQQxx when he does this?
 – A pair would be happy calling to see a showdown in case you do have a Q. 
 – A flopped boat that doesn’t include a Q is vulnerable, but maybe never a fold? This is the most likely I guess.
 – A flopped boat with a Q wouldn’t put you on a Q very easily, so why shove and not value-raise? Is V hoping you hit a set for a boat?
 – A flopped Q that boats up later doesn’t make a whole lot of sense on the flop, checking with a flush draw and last to act. Especially because the kicker can’t be high enough to make a naked spade all that valuable except as a blocker. Hero’s check is different being first to act and not being the pre-flop aggressor.

I probably call and lose here just because I can’t think of a clear line that over bets the pot…which is probably why he does it. I can see some missed draws in his range considering your betting could look weak to some. On the other hand it seems suicidal, but people just hand over stacks sometimes.

Andrew, I was watching one of your hand reviews yesterday and you were talking about shoving for value. I think this is probably where I need to take a lesson. Lets assume V has the nuts here. Is a shove by V correct because he is getting value from the top of most people’s range and figuring a c/r is already so strong that any hand that wouldn’t call a shove is folding no matter what anyway? Isn’t there room for V c/r smaller, like 2.5x Hero’s bet?

It just seems fishy to me that he is betting over pot, which is over 4x Hero’s bet. Almost like he doesn’t want a call. I tend to bet smaller here (~2.5x), in V’s shoes, hoping for a call or to inducing a re-raise, but maybe I’m losing a lot of value and being too results oriented the times where people just fold (since they would have folded anyway).