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The big $162. Anyone pull the trigger?

emufart

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February 15, 2012 - 8:18 pm

Had this spot come up today. My image is pretty solid, only big pot I've played was when I 3bet JJ pre, and called a shove. Villian in this hand seems pretty good, and has been playing pretty solid too for the most part, playing something like 22/19/5 from memory.

So this spot comes up, and I just can't get rid of this nagging feeling that when he called me preflop he was always planning on making a move at the pot. (Guess maybe I should just check behind and give up on the flop then?)
When he check-raises me on the flop, there's not alot of value hands that make sense for him to have IMO. He could have 22, 98s, maybe A9 or a tricky AA,KK. I'm pretty much ruling out 88, 99, as I expect he would just 4-bet and get those hands in pre SB vs BB. (What do people think of this assigned range?)

So I'm thinking about how narrow his value range is here, and the high perceived chance that he's just making a move on me. Then I see a big juicy pile of 3330 chips sitting in the middle which I'm thinking would look mighty pretty sitting on top of my 5288 chip stack.

Is it worth it to take the high variance line here and make a spazzy shove for a very significant pot, when my equity is going to be horrible if called?

Poker Stars $150+$12 No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t50/t100 Blinds + t10 – 8 players
TournamentPokerEdge.com Hand History Converter

N4kai (CO): BB = 18.9, t1888
Hs�k�r (BTN): BB = 32.4, t3242
a.S.e High (SB): BB = 86.3, t8633
Hero (BB): BB = 65.0, t6498
otolas (UTG): BB = 19.9, t1991
HR_Dub (UTG+1): BB = 32.0, t3196
natali7369 (MP1): BB = 29.3, t2925
gabb86 (MP2): BB = 45.4, t4537

Pre Flop: (t230) Hero is BB with 3 of diamonds K of clubs
6 folds, a.S.e High raises to t250, Hero raises to t600, a.S.e High calls t350

Flop: (t1280) 9 of hearts 8 of spades 2 of diamonds (2 players)
a.S.e High checks, Hero bets t600, a.S.e High raises to t1450, Hero ??????

running0uts

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February 17, 2012 - 9:23 am

emufart said:

When he check-raises me on the flop, there's not alot of value hands that make sense for him to have IMO.

I think a lot of pps make sense here, 22 and 88+ could all 3bet for value (and or protection). It's a dry board that is unlikely to have hit you so you are only really repping an overpair here and he could definitely be making a move too. I don't really love a 3bet here from you as again it's hard for you to rep anything other than an overpair or maybe 88 or 99.

I mean you say you think he might be calling pre to make a move but it would be to do so out of position against a big stack so I'm not sure he has total air here preflop. All in all I think this is a fold for me as it is gonna be hard to sell a bluff.

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February 17, 2012 - 3:26 pm

I’ve been known to spazz out in a spot like this…one of my leaks is the constant desire to make some kind of sick hero play…so keep that in mind that this advice is coming from somewhat of a spewtard:

So in order to say “YEAH DUDE SHOVE!” I need to invent some hands that you can make him fold. And he’s getting a good price preflop to peel with hands like JT, QJ, 76 suited, etc, so don’t discount straight draws from his range. He checkraises the flop with these types of hands because he has no sdv at this point and he can often just end the hand and not be forced to play a big pot OOP with no sdv on future streets when he misses.

running0uts said:

I think a lot of pps make sense here, 22 and 88+ could all 3bet for value (and or protection). It’s a dry board that is unlikely to have hit you so you are only really repping an overpair here and he could definitely be making a move too. I don’t really love a 3bet here from you as again it’s hard for you to rep anything other than an overpair or maybe 88 or 99.

I mean you say you think he might be calling pre to make a move but it would be to do so out of position against a big stack so I’m not sure he has total air here preflop. All in all I think this is a fold for me as it is gonna be hard to sell a bluff.

This is still probably a fold, but on the subject of repping a hand or trying to sell a bluff…you don’t have to be repping shit when all he’s got is a straight draw and you can get the last bet in. There’s a ton of those types of hands in his range IMO. He’s not calling with queen high.

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February 21, 2012 - 10:24 pm

nobody talked about why you decided to 3bet this so early in the tourney, and I'm very interested on that. I mean, why you wanna even play this hand? you have 65bb, antes just kicked in, I insta muck this and on to the next one 🙂

Anyway, if you do think he called just to make a move on you, you either check back the flop to own him in later streets (don't like this too much) or you have to be prepared to come back over the top when he check raises. You have 5.2k left after your 3bet pre + your cbet so I prefer 1000 times to basically click it back, make it like 2850, 2900 and make it super scary as it would do the same and you can still find a fold if he shoves (I think he's NEVER EVER shoving over the top of your 3bet without a set or the ol mighty 98s, specially since we are sooooo early in the tourney)

By the way, I do not have a large sample on the villain but I do have played with him several times and have a decent sample and he def is capable of calling your 3bet pre just to make a move OTF, he's a lil spewy reg 😉

SJOHN11

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February 22, 2012 - 1:09 pm

I agree with trujustrus, why are u even calling with this hand pre-flop? Unless he was making a habit of raising ur blind i muck the hand. Calling with hands like K3 puts u in this awkward spots.

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February 23, 2012 - 1:16 pm

SJOHN11 he is not calling pre with this hand he is 3betting there is a huge difference. Emufart (LOL at name) I def get your 3bet and logic behind it but question is “is it necessary at this point in time with a hand with little equity vs a spazzy capable reg?”

I think he is always going to flat hands mentioned above because he probably thinks he can own you oop and challenge a lot of flops that he knows you have to cbet most times. As you said you would expect him to 4 get in 65 bbs with 88 and 99, I don't think so. It would take like 7 bets to get this in this deep and im pretty sure you are never getting in less besides ak maybe aqs and he is not getting it in there that deep against that range. So I think those hands are def in his flatting range not wanting to blow up a pot oop. If he thinks you have an overpair and happens to have a set, I like his c/r because it is most likely the only way to play for stacks on that flop. As played I probably check back that flop and delay cbet when hopefully a paint card hits the turn.

My conclusion to this hand is to just fold pre. If he continues to raise your blind bvb and you pick up more info on him as the tourney and blinds progress, I would def consider making this play but maybe with a hand like 89s or something with better equity vs flatting ranges than k3o. Like the aggro idea and thinking outside the box. Maybe just unnecessary atm imo.

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February 23, 2012 - 5:16 pm

This flop is pretty good for his 3b calling range. Making a move here is so -EV it's not even funny.

If if you made the move and it worked, it's a high risk not very high reward maneuver.

Fold pre though.