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just wondering if anyone watches televised poker such as WPT events on MSG or FOX network. Recently i caught the Bay 101 Shooting star which took place in March of 2015. The final table was comprised of a few pros along with several amateur players. The one amateur was a fellow from far east Ravee Mathi. It is one great accomplishment to make to the final table but to practically roll over the pros with his maniac type betting and bluffing was astounding. If you get a chance to check it out on the tube (they do air rebroadcast on a frequent basis) let me know what you think. Even Taylor Paur who is a under rated rising star of the sport and an aggressive player to say the least, was practically dumbfounded by some of Mathi moves. During one hand Mathi shove his entire stack on the river with air vs Paur full house. Paur tanked for quite some time nearly folding but finally called . Kind of odd that after checking out Mathi hendon results that his 6th place finish in Bay 101 is his only listing with hendon. Sorry i think i might have posted this under wrong category. Not sure how to fix it
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December 6, 2012
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There’s a tremendous amount of variance in poker, especially in tournaments. Just because a particular bluff worked doesn’t mean that it was a good play. It’s very important to understand the math and theory behind the game – you are not going to get better by trying to imitate something that you saw some random guy do, even if that guy ended up winning the tournament. Remember: Jerry Yang won the WSOP Main Event!
December 18, 2015
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I used to be that guy. I watched a crap ton of poker on TV and YouTube. Not knowing exactly what or why they did what they did. And that if I ‘copied’ them I would figure it out and win. I figured out later, that wasn’t it and it doesn’t work. Maybe in the short run it would, but definitely not long term.
Like in martial arts, you shouldn’t just imitate or emulate your masters. You should study, learn and understand applications and theories; make it your own. ‘Steal’, make it a part of you, or innovate and change, blend it with your style of play. Not be like or play like how others are. Find what works for you, eliminate what doesn’t and exploit it.
Poker, Trading, martial arts all have one thing in common: You will really get to know who you are and what you’re made of. It’s a lifelong road of self discovery. But be forewarned, you may find out something really great about yourself, but also you may find out something negative that you’ll have to grow out of and change to be better.
Never implied that i had any intention of imitating them. I just asked a simple question if you are familiar with names i mentioned or if you saw the show. Thats all. Turning my question into a lecture is taking this to another level
May 30, 2012
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Sir,
That’s what happens when you post things like that on a forum like this. Nothing under rated about Taylor P, the kids a beast LIVE or online. SupaStar….. just saying.
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December 6, 2012
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Sorry if we misunderstood your question, but everyone here is just trying to help. No, I have not seen the final table you’re speaking of, though I’m familiar with it.
April 30, 2015
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Oh, and about Ravee, I play in the same casino as he does. I haven’t played much with him though since he is a cash player and I am primarily a tournament player. From people I know (and respect as good poker players) in the casino, I was told that he is a very loose and a not-so-good poker player.. But he sure has done something right making 2 consecutive final tables in 2 weeks in WPT main events. Paur and Ravee battled heads up again in WPT rolling thunder in Lincoln CA and Ravee won the title.
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December 6, 2012
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I’ll say this: if you’re going to be a fish, it’s way better to be an aggressive fish than a passive fish.
May 30, 2012
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I’ll say this…………….. I think of myself as a good REC grinder. I have a few FT’s, but haven’t made any WSOP or WPT FT’s……. Ravee has, so I’m jealous of his Two FT’s on TV. lol whether he’s a FISH or not………. I want to be the worst FISH in the world. I want to be on the Cardplayer Mag top ten worst at WSOP FT. I’d be proud to be on that list, lol. I know it was done a few years ago. Jerry Yang, Darvin Moon, Jamie Gold and others I can’t remember.
Navin thanks for the info Responses such as yours are the kind of responses i appreciate
Myk i have to disagree with you i learn alot more watching pros play live tape delay or rebroadcasts on poker network twitch and YT. You will be surprised how much knowledge you can gain watching real players play real live tournaments as opposed online hand or strategy reviews. Not a diss on the TPE videos but some of the pros talk way too fast and its hard for a beginner to keep track of the folds , the bet sizing and how much each player has contribute to the pot.
February 20, 2015
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I’d recommend Andrew’s videos if you find this to be a concern. All videos come with pause buttons, but Andrew (and Daryl Jace) will remind you to hit the pause button sometimes, and that little push can really help with comprehension.
Thanks i will look into it Big Dawg and Marc are probably the best in the business but when they do their HH review of dawg sweat from a few yrs ago , its more like two established vets who have played online for 30yrs using all kind of advanced poker lingo while ignoring the fact that there are beginners saying to themselves “Whooaouh dude slow down not asking you to go 10 mph but ease up on the gas pedal and go more like 40 or 50 instead of 100 Geez ! Then again maybe i shouldnt complain because when he is reviewing 4 tables at a time , i feel like a passenger in a lamborghini watching driver without gas pedals go 0-60 in two seconds which is the actual speed the vehicle is capable of
May 30, 2012
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I disagree slightly with what you said about the poker TV stuff. First, it’s all edited so you are not seeing much of actual flow to how they are really playing at the table. Esp with the WSOP & WPT coverage. There’s so much more to it. Let’s be honest, in most of the WSOP Main coverage, most of the players are only playing a few hands in an hour. If you go by what they show you on TV, you would think this year’s Champ Joe Mc was playing every hand on day 4. when I know for a fact, he was extremely tight and didn’t play much other then solid hands.
Yes, some of the pros may need to slow down a bit for a beginner, but you may need to watch more of the HH’s and notice all the hands that are being folded. Folding at times is a way to do well in touneys as well as playing AA properly.
And agree with Joel, every vid had a pause button……….. I’m not going to name the whole crew, but you can get GOOD information from everyone’s vids. Just a matter if you are going to put in the time and STUDY. That’s what it takes.
I get your drift and i got it first hand as an audience guest at a recent WPT taping. I guess the best way to describe sitting through the taping is like listen to golf on the radio. Very boring . Hole cards are not exposed Majority of the hands dealt are folded and seeing a flop without hole cards is no bargain either. The only time you get to see the players hole cards is when they go all in. I guess i got caught up in the action after watching edited version of some of these shows on cable tv. Like you said what you see is not what you get. Good point on the TPE vids. i need to watch the hands being folded write them down and take them to the next tournament i play in. I started watching the older HH vids from 2012. Do you suggest i look at the more current videos because the game changes with each passing day? I do take offense to some that say “Dont base your learning experiences watching the pros play on YT or TV Its not real its made for tv, hollywood etc” Thats a bunch of crock in my opinion. They are playing real poker with real hands and just because they are pros does not mean what you are observing is some sort of fantasy or something you cannot gain incite or knowledge from
May 30, 2012
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I’m not saying you don’t get learn or get anything from watching PRO’s on TV, but your ONLY watching MAIN events that are on TV. they aren’t taping event 1 from Borgata or Parx….. Or do you play nothing but 5k or 10k events? I guess from the attitude you have been given off you seem to know it all and don’t need others to provide you with things they have learned over the years playing at levels you don’t. The forum is here to help. If you can’t take someone’s criticism, maybe you should think of not posting anything and just enjoy the most resent vids. Why watch old ones. I’m sure those have no good teachings. Go watch Jerry Yang he won the WSOP Main for a reason, I’m sure you can gain LOTS of awesome poker strategy from his skillful play.
May 30, 2012
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I go back to what Andrew said here on message #6. Everyone’s just trying to help.
I have no idea where you are coming from. Don’t have an attitude nor do i claim to be a pro on anything poker related. I am still a newbie with a few cashes under my belt probably due to luck. You my friend are sounding like the comments on two plus two which is a forum i try to avoid when it comes to advice If i continue to get hammered on this way i just might take my biz to crush live poker Geeeez
May 30, 2012
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legend44 said
i need to watch the hands being folded write them down and take them to the next tournament i play in. I started watching the older HH vids from 2012. Do you suggest i look at the more current videos because the game changes with each passing day?
Sir,
This was the comment I was talking about. How am I or anyone on this site supposed to take this comment? Explain it. Just Sarcasm? When I told you to go back and look at older vids or watch the hands folded…. I wasn’t being an ass. It’s something NEWer players need to see and understand. Espcially when you make a comment that watching the Poker TV shows are great to watch and see the PRO’s doing things. Yes, you can take things from SOME of their play. But a newer player doesn’t or isn’t going to understand most of the plays they make for reasons that it’s TOO advanced for the stage THEY (the newer) players are at in their playing career. ** I did it ** Thinking I could flat everything like Phil Hellmuth and “trap” others. I’m not Phil.
I’ve said this to others on this site & everywhere else. Don’t be Phil, Phil or Daniel. Be YOU, but take things you see or learn from Everything. On this site, BigDog, Ttwist, DannyN, AZN, Jamie K (a great NJ player), Killingbird, Diego, Carlos, and even the past guys.
December 30, 2015
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P-aire 146 said
legend44 said
i need to watch the hands being folded write them down and take them to the next tournament i play in. I started watching the older HH vids from 2012. Do you suggest i look at the more current videos because the game changes with each passing day?Sir,
This was the comment I was talking about. How am I or anyone on this site supposed to take this comment? Explain it. Just Sarcasm? When I told you to go back and look at older vids or watch the hands folded…. I wasn’t being an ass. […]
FWIW, I’m new here as well and I took legend’s comment at face value. I don’t think there was attitude there. I could be wrong of course, but such are the joys of interpreting tone from text-base conversation.
I was watching something from 2012 the other day and found myself wondering the same thing….how much has changed in tournament strategy 3.5 years. I hear people on podcasts mention fairly often how different poker was in the mid to late 2000s (pre-black-friday, granted), so I think the question is reasonable. Would anyone say the edge has moved much in the last 3.5 years? Too short-term to notice?
December 1, 2015
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P-aire,
Nothing to do with this post, but do you play the New Jersey online circuit. Just curious, your name looks familiar.
May 30, 2012
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Yes sir I do. No secret to my screen names, lol. Most know me from playing LIVE and the online name has always been the same since UB & PStars……
What’s your screen name. There’s a bunch of TPE members playing WSOP & Borg. I’ve spoken about it on this site numerous times.
May 30, 2012
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Hey Movie,
I could be wrong. As Andrew and other have stated. We are only trying to help guild people towards better things.
As far as your question….. Yes, I do think things have changed in the last 3 yrs. I think poker strategy is changing every few minutes. Pretty sure most if not all the PRO’s and serious players on here will agree.
As a serious REC player myself, The LIGHT switch was finally activated about 3-4 yrs ago for me. Been playing anything and everything in the Atlantic City / Philly area since 2006. First few years I was deader then DEAD money. Just didn’t know it. Then I meet two awesome kids from the Toronto area (Ttwist & BigDog) at the WSOPC Harrahs event. Slowly my game got better. To a point where I finally feel like I can almost play with anyone in the world, kinda, lol. I have no fear playing in WPT Main’s or WSOP Main Event every summer now.
But if you are not studying and talking to friends about the game, you will lose an edge. Daniel N always talks about keeping up with the younger kids.
If you want to be ANY type of winning player, you have to understand the changes at least and adjust your game to what makes you happy.
December 1, 2015
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P-aire, I’ve only been a member of this site a few months and I’ve only been playing on the NJ sites for a few months.
My screen name is “pitacat”
June 11, 2012
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i wish some HH posts in here would get as many detailed answers as this simple OP question if anyone knows the players he was talking about.
oh and maybe a mod could move this to a different subforum as it is def in the wrong category. What OP also was asking
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