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February 17, 2014
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Hey there,
I know that techically this is wrong since Im not getting callers with worst hands – probably there are no worst hands than mine though, since Im on a draw – but I thought it was worth doing since there was a nice pot in the middle and it was hard for them to have hit the board. I could get called here by small pairs (44-77) or a very corageours hero call by A high which is higly unlikely, besides obviously any 9 or T. What do you think of this? Your opinion is highly appreciated!
Poker Stars $1.00+$0.25+$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t2000/t4000 Blinds + t400 – 9 players – View hand 2458071
TournamentPokerEdge.com Hand History Converter
OMG_u_Calll? (UTG): BB = 8.3, t33272
bert5252 (UTG+1): BB = 2.9, t11492
zafargood (UTG+2): BB = 8.1, t32592
remusv (MP1): BB = 22.9, t91591
EVE220 (MP2): BB = 3.3, t13036
Hero (CO): BB = 13.4, t53798
JoPoker3 (BTN): BB = 27.4, t109462
bulyaVR (SB): BB = 12.3, t49084
Curioso24 (BB): BB = 22.8, t91339
Pre Flop: (t9600) Hero is CO with 7
8
5 folds, Hero raises to t8000, JoPoker3 calls t8000, 1 fold, Curioso24 calls t4000
Flop: (t29600) 9
T
9
(3 players)
Curioso24 checks, Hero bets t45398 all in, JoPoker3 folds, Curioso24 folds
Final Pot: t29600
Hero mucks 7 8
Hero wins t29600
March 11, 2014
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All you have here is the low end of a straight draw on a board with an open pair. I've seen a resurgence of slow play recently in the micro mtt's so you could have gotten snap called by a 9, higher str8t draw or top pair with a draw so .you were lucky they didn't have anything to call you with. Seems like a lot to risk but they both had pretty good stacks so maybe good targets. Not an expert though
December 11, 2013
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Meh I don't hate this shove. I think it's pretty hard for villains to do anything about it and they really do have to be capable of snapping you off with A hi to give any kind of trouble. I doubt they are doing that. Even if they're calling with any PP I think it's fine. I mean, against 22-66 we have awesome equity and it's basically a flip. Also when they are snapping w/ A hi we've got great equity. Youre sticking in 45.4 to win 29.6 and even when we're called we have good equity against most of a calling range, and OK equity against the top of a calling range.
IMO if there's a mistake it's not on the flop- but what was your plan pre? Are you just raise/folding and trying to steal? On most other flops are you just giving up? I think you would do well to focus more on the PFR and your plan going forward then to spend too much time considering the flop shove, which can't bet that bad.
February 17, 2014
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Good opinions!
I agree that the PFR is close if not out of range, specially for my stack size. The plan is raise to steal and fold to any shove. If I get called and I get a nice flop Ill cbet and give up. If everything goes wrong (I get re shoved pre or I get called, cbet and I get shoved) I get a 10bb stack perfectly functional, nothing changes much, I still have to look for a spot to shove pretty soon so it wont change if its for 10bb or 12bb.
December 11, 2013
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EstoEsPenarol said:
Good opinions!
I agree that the PFR is close if not out of range, specially for my stack size. The plan is raise to steal and fold to any shove. If I get called and I get a nice flop Ill cbet and give up. If everything goes wrong (I get re shoved pre or I get called, cbet and I get shoved) I get a 10bb stack perfectly functional, nothing changes much, I still have to look for a spot to shove pretty soon so it wont change if its for 10bb or 12bb.
I think it's very villain dependent. If BTN,SB,BB are folding too much in general it's probably OK. Depending on your Cbet sizing you're probably left with 8 or so bb if you cbet/fold. It helps that you're gonna open shove flops like this.
September 29, 2012
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This is a shove preflop. You have less than15 BBs with antes in play. I open shove this hand.
February 17, 2014
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Nice to see that there are different lines of thought that goes from fold pre to shove pre, thats the beauty of this game!
Now that you say, shoving it pre is not a bad line: I dont like it that when we get called we're almost always behind (best case scenario a flip or a 70/30 but if we're called by an overpair is game over) but the nice part of it is that most of the times goes thru specially for villain's stack size.
September 29, 2012
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Let's examine the math of the shove preflop. You have an M of 6 shoving from the cutoff.
Your opponents are supposed to call with the top 15% here. You ahve 35% equity against that range.
61% * 9600 + 39% [(35% * 116,396) – 53398] = 919 +cEV.
And this is only if they call with the equilibrium range. In practice, your opponents will not call often enough. Realistically, they may only call the top 10% of hands.
73% * 9600 + 27%[(34% * 116,396) – 53398] = 3576 cEV profit from a shove here.
When you do get called, you will have to catch up, but you will get so many folds, it will more than pay for the times you get called.
Shoving here is not really just another option, it is the standard choice and in my mind it is way better than open raising or open folding.
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