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this invariabley ends up the same with variations
most commonly and fast .
1. you haven’t been able to play your game as the aggressive player to your right or your left has been hammering you , right with raises so you can’t reraise as you dont’ have good hands.. left for the constant calling, or reraising, and rigoursly blind defense if he is in the blinds.
you were to maintain about a stack of 15 ,, or a m of 12.
you get moved to a fresh table. yay ,
you realized instantly you were at the kiddie table as the table is full of people with bigger stacks then you.
the blind are 150, 300 , 25 ante with a starting pot of 675 , i got 8,500 chips,, the rest has 14,000 plus and they all look at me like i am meat.
2. we have a nice stack of 8500, the blinds are 150, 300, 25 ante,, within 2 rounds the short stacks were all gone, and all replaced with bigger stacks then ours (but of course ). slower and we can see it happening but our cards are marginal at best and the hammer is still there ,, (at least he is the last to go as a big stack takes him out eheh ).
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this is the wall i been hitting lately,, when it happens i turn into a turle shell ,, twice i let the blinds hit me.
heck i am too scared to open with a trouble hand for i figure i would just called by a big stack who has the chips to play ace 7, something like that in hopes of getting my little 8000 chips. so my resort has been to flee like in the previous staement by letting the blinds take me out event hough i know i should be pushing with ten eight suited in the cut off fi he hasnt’ been open ..
but that is the problem with that strategy,, there is always someone opening the pot these days, either by limping or raising so if i go all in chances are he will just call.
or my other default is ,, all in baby with suited broadway ideally but lately it been suited ace 3 , 75 suited.
I am hopign the volume 2 book helps me , but do you have any advice of what you guys do , ?
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April 6, 2010
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when we get to the 15-18 BB range at a table like this, i think we need to start to look for restealing spots. While our stack might not look that good compared to everyone else at the table, think about what the villains stack will look like if he calls you (who by the way he probably sees as the table nit – so your hand is likely to look strong to him) and loses…because that is what he will be thinking about when you jam on his raise and he has KJ or A9s. You have fold equity and you need to use it before you dont have it anymore. And if he calls, just suck out. 
I would suggest playing with PokerStove a little bit. You’d be shocked at how, even against the top of his range, you are never really in THAT bad of shape.
thanks there kicking bird.
best to go out kicking rather then stoic. (or go out stoic as you kick knowing what it means if you miss)
one of the most important concepts in mtts is stack management, and something that i think can be refered to as stack utility.
stack management is what most players do intuitively–that is, keep their chips safe from harm. however, if you manage your stack too well, then you’re going to end up allin in the blinds or even worse with just an ante.
in order to avoid this, you need to also realize the utility of your stack. different stacks have different utilities. you shouldn’t be opening a wide range of hands with a 15BB stack and you shouldn’t be shoving light over raises with a 40BB stack.
now, you’re talking about a ~25-30BB stack–~8500 at 150/300. this is a fine stack to open hands with and play pots. although, if you’re being 3bet a lot or flatted a lot and messed with postflop, it’s fine to start tightening up with a 25-30BB stack, and just take good restealing spots. eventually you’ll either fall down to the 15-20BB area, double up or bust!
once you hit 20BB you should probably just stop opening with hands that you don’t plan on getting allin with. especially at the type of table you describe, where too often you’ll be called and put in the position to fire a cbet.
you’re looking for spots where the pot is opened in front of you by an active player–preferably in late position–and you go allin over the raise. generally, there is a huge gap between the range of hands that they are opening, and the range of hands they are calling your shove with. that gap is your profit and padding for your stack. and even when called we’ll usually have at least 30% equity–meaning we’ll double up something like 30-50% of the time considering that sometimes we’ll also have the best hand and hold (these are obviously just rough estimates).
once you get down to 12-10BB you should stop thinking you have fold equity–meaning that you should assume that if someone has raised, they will always call your shove. obviously this is not 100% true in real time, but it’s a fine assumption to make.
with this stack you are really just looking for a) spots to be first in the pot and shove or b) a hand that is far enough of the openers range that we are comfortable getting allin 100% of the time.
just always be thinking about how many BB or M you have, what it is going to be the next level, etc, and what you can most effectively DO with that stack.
gl.
it is interesting you mention 20 bb as that is the cut off range for ptf 1, and the furtherest i gone in a mtt tourney last for the daily dollar i was following that 30 bb to 20 bb rule, pushing instead of just trying to raise the big stacks.
the part about the resteal the pot from the late position raiser is interesting,, i havent’ did that in a while unless i had ace eight suited or better.
i do keep track off my bb and m, especialy when i use my hud,, but i used to push at 8 m, then i realized that he meant 5 m, and 3 m for open pushes,, and by that time i am like 8 3 suited not reasonable enough, or jack 7 is this it and think that the opener ahead of me won’t fold.
I think you mean stop thinking that i dont’ have fold equity at 12 bb or 10 bb if i am understanding you correctly.
MASTERHOLMES said:
I think you mean stop thinking that i dont’ have fold equity at 12 bb or 10 bb if i am understanding you correctly.
With 10 to 12 BB’s you have very little fold equity. Most loose caller station big stacks will call with J3 and think it was a good call. So you have to start planning your all in moves at 20 BB’s.
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