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Hey was playin the Sunday 500 today had a rugh start but managed to get a 16k Stack
blinds were at 250/500 with antes
a guy (plays pretty bad) with a 8k stack minraised in mid position to 1k
i was in the cut off holding QQ i 3bet to 2675
Mr Brock Parker on the button (just won a big flip with AK against QQ) 20k stack 4bet to 6k
what do you do?
June 22, 2010
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I would probably shove here. From a mathematical point of view the chances of him having a hand that beats QQ preflop twice is very low, possible but low. I would also take in consideration of your read on him. Has he been very aggressive, 3-betting , and 4-betting a lot. 4-bets are either very strong or very weak from my experience.
P.
"Your either in Sheen's Korner or your with the trolls."
I really considered folding here, have been playin pretty tight and didn 3bet a lot,
dno whether Brock is knowing for playing pretty aggressive, but he obv is commited to the pot
and what hands do you 4bet here? JJ would the the bottom of his range i guess
i only beat AK,AQ,JJ- ! but i reshoved here because there was so much money in the pot knowing he wouldn fold,
he snap calls and shows KK board ran out KJ942 turn gives me a FD for the sweat!
could/should i fold here?
June 22, 2010
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From my experience since I began playing in March when someone 4-bet shoves me they usually have a good hand like AA or KK. When someone just 4-bets me they usually have QQ-TT or KA; in the lower and micro stakes add a bunch of crap to that as well. If someone 4-bet shoves on me I usually fold unless I have KK or AA. However, if someone just 4-bets me like in your case, if I am holding QQ I would 5-bet shove. My 5-bet shove has won the majority of the time, either by taking it down there or at showdown. I have lost to AA and KK as well but a lot less then calling a 4-bet shove. This is actually a good topic because I would like to know what other members think. Hopefully we will get a pro to chime in as well. I may be totally wrong on the approach I take and just have been lucky up until now.
P.
"Your either in Sheen's Korner or your with the trolls."
July 3, 2010
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As an unknown I've had this exact spot come up three times in large buy-in events – a final table, a final table bubble, and once in the mid-stages – against a ranked pro.
All three times they had KK or AA. Very small sample size but I feel that on average a very good player will not 4 bet an unknown since unknowns tend to 3 bet mostly strong hands anyway.
I don't think he's sizing his bet this way with AK and he's not turning JJ into a bluff here so his range is so narrow. I think I can find a fold even with just 32 or so bb.
You can make the argument that you should never raise/fold QQ on a 30 bb stack but you can also make the argument that once you really think the action through and decide they can never have anything except AK, KK, and AA you really need to fold.
It's not like he's doing this with air or a midpair at this point in the tournament.
July 3, 2010
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Once I read you've been playing tight and have really not 3 bet at all this becomes more of a fold. Versus a tight unknown a good player with chips won't make some random, spewy move.
June 22, 2010
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It was lost in my babble but table image of both yourself and your opponent is important as others have mentioned. The stakes that I usually play in I usually have players that are 35/30 or higher 3-betting and 4-betting. In these instances QQ is usually good. However, if your opponent is tight then as FK mentioned you may be up against KK or AA. Likewise if you are perceived as tight and you 3-bet and get raised you may be up agaisnt KK or AA.
"Your either in Sheen's Korner or your with the trolls."
If brock knows this player has been playing badly, he is probably aware that you know this as well and can be 4balling light.
i shove all day
I dont mind a fold if the opener had been really tight and you had been as well, but he brock probably feels ur getting it in against this monkey with a decently wide range, enough for him to get in hands like 88+ and AQ+ enough to get this in. JJ i would fold probably… depends on how things were going.
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