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May 31, 2012
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hi all this hand is from the final table of the merge sunday 60k. villan has been really agg since we got down to last 2 tables playing 33/29 over 200 hands and 3 betting 13% of the time. this is the 1st time he has shoved on me i think previously he had 3 bet small. i remember thinking that at the time that i was flipping or crushing him at this point as i dont see him shoving big pairs and AK etc.. with that in mind would you make the call here or does ICM dictate a fold. i am always unsure of these spots at final tables and everytime i find myself in a spot like this bigdogs article on KILLER INSTINCT comes into my head, if i am flipping and i win it puts me in with a great shot at Taking this down. 4th is $5.5k and 1st is $20k, what do you all do here?
Merge No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t12500.00/t25000.00 Blinds – 4 players
TournamentPokerEdge.com Hand History Converter
Hero (CO): t678428.00 27.14 BBs
Twobirdzstonedatonce (BTN): t1835680.00 73.43 BBs
TheOptimist33 (SB): t563382.00 22.54 BBs
queenofspades10 (BB): t792510.00 31.70 BBs
Pre Flop: (t37500) Hero is CO with Q
A
Hero raises to t50000, 2 folds, queenofspades10 raises to t790010, Hero???
October 6, 2010
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such a tough spot. i think with the absolute top of his range he would 3bet small to induce, and 3bet fold the bottom of his range too, so i think it leaves hands like mid pairs, some broadways that he wont call a shove with, and possibly AJ/AT
i think you are ahead of his range but flipping most of the time. really tough spot but i dont think you can fold
July 20, 2012
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This is a pretty big 3bet shove which suggests it's a hand he's not comfortable with letting you flat (even though I doubt you would). I doubt it's ever air, could be A10 – AK plus a lot of pairs, maybe 55 or 66 – JJ. Like you said I can't imagine him doing this with QQ+ so you are only behind to AK, are ahead some of the time and racing most of the time. In terms of ICM I personally only consider it if the money has a big impact on my BR. Ignoring ICM, if you think you have an edge and are chipping up without much resistance then I would fold here, if it's a really tough table then I might call.
May 30, 2012
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Maybe its a leak in my game but I usually fold AQo in these spots, as I do put the villain on AK and most pairs 22-JJ. combinatorically speaking there 16 combos of AK and 4 combos of eahc pair from 22-JJ = 40 combos so you are flipping (45%) against his range 2/3rds of the time and behind (25%) 13rd. some of the time he will show up with AT-AQ and even A9s but I dont think you know enough to assume that with this villain since it's his first shove. You only have invested 2bbs, and if you fold you still have 25. I call with 55+ and AK.
October 6, 2010
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Maybe its a leak in my game but I usually fold AQo in these spots, as I do put the villain on AK and most pairs 22-JJ. combinatorically speaking there 16 combos of AK and 4 combos of eahc pair from 22-JJ = 40 combos so you are flipping (45%) against his range 2/3rds of the time and behind (25%) 13rd. some of the time he will show up with AT-AQ and even A9s but I dont think you know enough to assume that with this villain since it’s his first shove. You only have invested 2bbs, and if you fold you still have 25. I call with 55+ and AK.
I don’t have poker stove on the iPad but I would have thought AQ would be better against that range you mentioned than 55-77.
May 30, 2012
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i call man.
but i think gameflow dictates the most what he may have, is he jamming to make it look weaker and get called wider? do you ever 4bet jam light on him, has he 3bet folded? whats your image?
in general this has the range assigned above of midpairs and weakers aces and i call and try win the tournament.
July 5, 2012
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Prob a call, but a few questions.
1) what is your image?<
3) are the remaining players competent/good?
3) how big is edge?
4) (prob shouldnt consider this, but..) How important
Is the pay jump to you.
If you are 4 of 4 I think this is still a call, but gonna be high variance against
All other hands besides Ax & Qx.
you are 3 of 4, so I might find a fold and be the one applying the pressure.
May 30, 2012
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bennymacca said:
Maybe its a leak in my game but I usually fold AQo in these spots, as I do put the villain on AK and most pairs 22-JJ. combinatorically speaking there 16 combos of AK and 4 combos of eahc pair from 22-JJ = 40 combos so you are flipping (45%) against his range 2/3rds of the time and behind (25%) 13rd. some of the time he will show up with AT-AQ and even A9s but I dont think you know enough to assume that with this villain since it's his first shove. You only have invested 2bbs, and if you fold you still have 25. I call with 55+ and AK.
I don't have poker stove on the iPad but I would have thought AQ would be better against that range you mentioned than 55-77.
Hey benny: I see what you are saying. but actually it does do better (47% vs 41%) and, at least you have 22-66 where you show up dominating, with AQo on the range I gave you just never show up dominating
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 48.413% 47.19% 01.22% 1032757824 26669592.00 { 77-55 }
Hand 1: 51.587% 50.37% 01.22% 1102227504 26669592.00 { JJ-22, AKs, AKo }
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 41.976% 41.41% 00.57% 612620352 8384202.00 { AQo }
Hand 1: 58.024% 57.46% 00.57% 850041900 8384202.00 { JJ-22, AKs, AKo }
October 6, 2010
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Can you add in AQ, AJ and ATs in just to see how much it changes?
May 30, 2012
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seems absurd to give them 22-55 and not midstrength AJ A10s imo
May 30, 2012
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I'm calling. Don't see why he would ship AK here with his image or any other premium anyways as you have pretty good stack to 4bet rip light here. If I was the villain I'd induce a 4bet rip here ATo+, A9s+, 88+. This if he thinks you are good / capable of doing that. Would say this is pocketpairs under 88 most of the time, sometimes some piece of garbage small suited aces but just don't think premium ever. Call, win the flip, win the tournament.
June 19, 2012
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Yeah im calling, would deffo add T9s, JTs and other stuff like that in his range when stoving infact I would think he has to be pretty tight for this to be a fold. As seomone else metioned :
kingten102 said:
Prob a call, but a few questions.
1) what is your image?<
3) are the remaining players competent/good?
3) how big is edge?
4) (prob shouldnt consider this, but..) How important
Is the pay jump to you.If you are 4 of 4 I think this is still a call, but gonna be high variance against
All other hands besides Ax & Qx.you are 3 of 4, so I might find a fold and be the one applying the pressure.
these are things to concider for sure.
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