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preflop sb/bb dynamic was that i was getting 3b on a lot and didnt have a hand i wanted to 4bet. this situation came up a ton bc button folded a lot
asking if anyone (esp pros) would craft a better line or ever find a fold
Full Tilt Poker Game #32388126003: FTOPS Event #28 (248346259), Table 118 - 2500/5000 Ante 600 - No Limit Hold'em - 20:23:11 ET - 2013/03/27 Seat 1: EastLansing (361,658) Seat 2: n00ki5 (424,593) Seat 3: APD0290 (141,469) Seat 4: extassyman (270,268) Seat 5: Ihatequackquack (138,111) Seat 6: MKP83 (158,411), is sitting out EastLansing antes 600 n00ki5 antes 600 APD0290 antes 600 extassyman antes 600 Ihatequackquack antes 600 MKP83 antes 600 EastLansing posts the small blind of 2,500 n00ki5 posts the big blind of 5,000 The button is in seat #6 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to EastLansing [Ad 7s] APD0290 folds extassyman folds Ihatequackquack folds MKP83 folds EastLansing calls 2,500 MKP83 has reconnected MKP83 has returned n00ki5 has 15 seconds left to act n00ki5 has requested TIME n00ki5 raises to 17,000 EastLansing calls 12,000 *** FLOP *** [3s As 6c] (Total Pot: 37,600, 2 Players) EastLansing checks n00ki5 has 15 seconds left to act n00ki5 has requested TIME n00ki5 bets 12,200 EastLansing has 15 seconds left to act EastLansing calls 12,200 *** TURN *** [3s As 6c] [6d] (Total Pot: 62,000, 2 Players) EastLansing has 15 seconds left to act EastLansing checks n00ki5 has 15 seconds left to act n00ki5 has requested TIME n00ki5 bets 32,000 EastLansing has 15 seconds left to act EastLansing calls 32,000 *** RIVER *** [3s As 6c 6d] [7d] (Total Pot: 126,000, 2 Players) EastLansing has 15 seconds left to act EastLansing has requested TIME EastLansing checks n00ki5 has 15 seconds left to act n00ki5 has requested TIME n00ki5 bets 137,000 EastLansing has 15 seconds left to act EastLansing has requested TIME EastLansing calls 137,000 *** SHOW DOWN *** n00ki5 shows [5h 4h] a straight, Seven high EastLansing mucks n00ki5 wins the pot (400,000) with a straight, Seven high *** SUMMARY *** Total pot 400,000 | Rake 0 Board: [3s As 6c 6d 7d] Seat 1: EastLansing (small blind) mucked [Ad 7s] - two pair, Aces and Sevens Seat 2: n00ki5 (big blind) showed [5h 4h] and won (400,000) with a straight, Seven high Seat 3: APD0290 folded before the Flop Seat 4: extassyman folded before the Flop
July 5, 2012
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Because of dynamic, i think we should be raise/4betting
Then maybe finding a fold if he 5 bets. I know its a
Marginal spot, but against this player i think its importantport
To stay balanced, and A high miles ahead his 3 bet range.
Think we get owned OOP too often against an opponent
This agg.
to not take the lead preflop
As played, think bet folding the river is best in this spot.
Would prob choose a sizing around 65-80k otr
Less exploitable than the river min bet, looks like we aee
Looking for value, and should narrow villians river raising range
and saves us chips and a makes our river decision easier
July 5, 2012
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Responded on my phone. Sorry for grammar mistakes
July 3, 2010
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Ah, as soon as you limped I thought you were going to re-pop him when he predictably raised because it's such a good hand to do it with – near the top of our bluff range with a blocker.
What do you think of that line preflop? As played I think your postflop is fine as villain will be 3 barrel bluffing a lot and betting our hand for us.
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December 6, 2012
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I like that everyone, including OP, is considering alternatives to just raise-folding from the SB. I think all three (limp-call, 4b-fold, limp-raise) are viable and the best one probably comes down to metagame. For example I think a really smart Villain could actually jam pretty wide over a limp-raise because there's a pretty thin range of hands Hero would actually do that with for value, since Villain knows Hero expects a 3b and many of Hero's strong hands would probably prefer to be able to 4b and win it preflop rather than risk seeing a flop and/or a showdown by limp-raising. But many other Villains won't realize that and will make mistakes when limp-raised.
The more of postflop edge Hero feels he has, the more I like limp-calling.
Folding this on the river would be extremely exploitable, if you think about how wide Villain's range can be for seeing the river and how unlikely Hero is to hold either a good A, a 6 (the former because he often raises pre, the latter b/c it's rarely strong enough to limp-call), or even 54 (likely to c/r flop or turn). That's not to say you can't fold it, but I would only do so with a read. I don't think “overbets are often strong” is enough of a read, unless you're sure Villain doesn't also know that.
Basically what I'm saying is if you have to ask, you shouldn't fold.
I also don't see any reason to lead the river. That strikes me as results oriented now that we know Villain overbets. It's a great spot to induce bluffs plus most hands that will call a bet will value bet themselves – Villain might even be able to fold some hands that he would value bet if checked to!
August 8, 2012
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If BB is aggro then is there any harm in just folding pre? IMO A7o is going to be difficult to play against an aggressive opponent OOP. What are we hoping for on the flop if we limp/call pre? What flops, turns and rivers are good for us? We miss the flop a lot so do we reverse float with A high if we think he double barrels a large % of the time? I just don't think limp/calling pre is ever going to be +cEV, but then again I can't think of an alternative line that would be, so I would take the easy way out and just open fold pre and move on to the next hand.
If I was going to limp/call pre I'd go for a hand that had more playability post-flop like a suited connector or one gapper.
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