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Suggested volume?

Habitual

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February 23, 2015 - 10:50 am

Greetings,

Having converted from cash games, and lately enduring 25+ games with no cashes i'm wondering what you pros consider your minimum number of tournies to play so your up at the end of the month?

For instance, in my old cash game enviroment I had a 4bb WR at 50/100NL and played a minimum of 25k hands p/m. Yet I still had many losing months (variance obv being a function of our WR and volume). Yet, my then coach, who enjoyed a high double-digit WR had never had a losing month over the same 25k monthly voulme (sicko).

So my longwinded question to the pros is: What is your tourney monthly equavilent of the cash game 'required minimum volume' to be profitable? Are are tournies so much variance inflicted that this is even a plausible question?

Thanks in advance,

Dave

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February 23, 2015 - 11:43 am

Hi Dave, welcome to the land of MTTs. I'm curious, what was the impetus for the switch?

I don't know that anyone will be able to give you a number, because among other things it will depend on your average field size, the payout structures of the MTTs you're playing, and your estimated win rate. The best piece I'm aware of on MTT variance is here: …../mtt-pros/

I'm also compelled to ask, though, why winning or losing in a given month is an important metric for you?

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February 23, 2015 - 2:08 pm

Thanks for posting that link. I ended up reading that post and several follow-up/related posts. Very interesting and useful info and analysis

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February 23, 2015 - 2:40 pm

Hey pal, thanks for the prompt response.

Good question, the time frame is rather arbitrary when I think about it. I guess it's because I'm trying to compare it to a job and it's overall worth as a wage each month (like cash). I've been lucky in a sense that i'm able to work part time in the real world whilst trying to 'crack' poker the rest of the time. Crack as in make it my real profession. I've made money at cash games over the last 3yrs and withdrawn fairly regularly, just not enough to sustain a full time life and it frustrated me to the point of boredom. Not only that, I play on euro sites and the 100 NL games are dwindling all the time. 200nl+ are more dead than dead. My edge is non existent for the volume available in those games. Long story short, the future to me seems bleak for cash games, unless u have a double-digit winrate.

TournIes on the other hand are always running in abundance and rife with rec plyrs. The overall standard at 30$ BI is like NL 2 at times. I might well be deluded, but my edge in them seems much bigger…. If I can play enough games to see that edge come to fruition.

This leads me back to my opening q. I was hopeful of examples from some of you guys, the games you play, ROI, no. of tournies per month, your routines etc to try and really understand the whats required from a pro to win over a period. Not so I can emulate it, because that's just silly, but so I can get a feel for what a small cash winner would need to do in these games to have a chance of successfully making the switch.

Currently have 45% ROI but only based on 300 or so lol games.

Thanks again.

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