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Strategy for $180 live "Deepstack"
dasfix
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June 29, 2011 - 9:22 pm
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Going to play in a few $180 tourneys this weekend at Foxwoods, and the blind structure is bad (as you would think for the buyin).

 

The levels are about 25 minutes per.  I usually play tighter to begin with and 3x or 4x raise when i'm playing a pot.  When antes show up I loosen my range up a bit depending on who's behind me and honestly usually just 3x raise b/c I don't feel that 2.5x or less gets respect in most live tourneys.  Especially so when there are numerous bad players, and this being 4th of July weekend there are sure to be plenty.

 

Do you think 3xing during the ante stage is correct? 

Really want to ship this one, i've played in a few of these over the past few months and have FT one of them and cashed in another. 

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June 30, 2011 - 5:06 pm
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Das,

I play in these lower buyin MTTs often, and from my experience you will get called whether you 2.5x or 3x, if your opponent has anything or likes to float.  It seems like there is a lot of floating, so to conserve chips I like the smaller raise.  It also saves your chips if you are getting 3 bet a lot.  I like the smaller raise w antes as well.  I thnk it allows you to play more aggressively while preserving chips.  Good luck.

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June 30, 2011 - 11:18 pm
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I dont play these (b/c i'm half way around the worldlaugh) but i can imagine what they are like

 

I agree with brook that smaller raises achieve the same thing against weak players

+ves are;

– that we conserve chips when getting 3bet

– conserve chips by having to Cbet smaller when called

– as bigdog says – we force weaker players to play pots against us OOP which is obv profitable as long as you have post flop skill

 

Kind of the standard way of playing these days according to the nation anyway!

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July 1, 2011 - 4:41 pm
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Gonna give it a try, thanks for the feedback!

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July 1, 2011 - 7:01 pm
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Agree with hape….GLGL and let us know how it goes!

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July 1, 2011 - 8:36 pm
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It’ll degenerate into a 90 Man KO on Tilt, basically. TAG earlier, LAG middle if you can, good push/fold needed as it winds down. The field is gonna be a lot of old people so you can run them over.

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Well, I was bubble boy for the first time ever… made worse by the fact I had 2k chips left (one ante) right before the break so I got to go think about what Big Dog's strategy would be in that situation haha.

 

But yeah, the blind structures are so craptastic in these types of events.  I played pretty well, had some nice three bet / continuation bluffs early on.  But as with most of these types of events it just became a shove/fold fest like Coolers said. 

Always the next one!

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July 6, 2011 - 1:01 am
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can you go into more details about the blind structure?  Starting stack, blind levels?  The general rules of what to do with a shitty structure are outlined already, but if they are missing certain levels, that could really affect when to hype up the aggression.

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July 6, 2011 - 8:07 am
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Blind levels went up every 20 minutes, and started with the standard 25/50.  You do start with 15k chips so you're really deep to start.

 

Antes came in at 100/200 after a level of 100/200 without any antes. 

 

I was definitely more active in pots after the antes showed up.

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July 6, 2011 - 11:29 am
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Here is the structure:

 

Level  Blinds   Ante
1  $25 ~ $50
2  $50 ~ $100
3  $100 ~ $200
4  $100 ~ $200  $25
10 Minute Break (5 min in Turbos)
5  $200 ~ $400  $50
6  $300 ~ $600  $75
7  $400 ~ $800  $100
8  $600 ~ $1,200  $150
10 Minute Break/Remove $25 Chips
9  $800 ~ $1,600  $200
10 $1,000 ~ $2,000 $200
11  $1,500 ~ $3,000 $300
12  $2,000 ~ $4,000 $400

 

Not so diff from the Borgata 15Kusd guar on wed which I played a few times (better though as the borgata starts with 10K only).  I suggest TAG 1st 4 levels and then LAG 5 to 12.  I like small raises pre 2.5 bbs and then smallish cbet and double barreling small the turn or check raising on dry flops gets you the pot a lot (obv generalizing as it depends on villain, stack size, flop texture and image).

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July 7, 2011 - 12:16 am
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the lack of a 500/1k and a 1200/2400 level really changes things.  It would make me play the 400/800 level and the 1k/2k level very fast because my stack is going to be drastically changed by the blind increases.  I'd definitely be willing to gamble a lot more in those levels so the adjustment isn't as much of a drastic one.

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July 9, 2011 - 5:19 pm
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Ya, you def have to gamble in these a lot more just based on the structure.  The other nice thing is typically in these lower buyins live players really struggle with a lot of push/fold situations and you can capitalize that towards the middle to later stages.

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July 11, 2011 - 9:31 am
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Thanks for all the feedback, I guess what i'm taking from this thread is that you need to play for stacks (whenever possible) in +ev spots once you get level 7 or 8 since thats' when your stack will shrink the most. 

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July 12, 2011 - 4:27 pm
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hate the blind jump from 100/200 to 200/400 feels like a level is missed and this structure lends to short stack play late.

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