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I was 32/234 in stars 50k. I raise(46bb) AcJc utg. Sb(50bb) defends . flop comes AsKcQc he checks i cbet and he check raises about a third of his stack, and i four bet jam. He has AQ and holds . Is it standard to 4 bet jam top pair and gutshot royal?
hi,
pretty std imo. You have top pair/good kicker, a gutshot and the nut fd (royal fd combined!). and after he has c/r 1/3 his stack there's nothing else to do but get it in.
if you were deeper, say 75-100bb deep, you could call a c/r to see the turn and river without being 100% commited and still leave urself w/ 30-50bb if you miss and are confident u're beat.
don't know how much u raised pre and cbet. lets say u opened 2-2.2x and only sb calls, the pot should be about 6-7bb big. cbet 3x and he c/r to 8-12x, that would make the pot over 30x with both only a potsized bet behind on the turn. if villain shoves on the turn you could still fold and leave urself about 30x to play with. villain could easyly have 10J, KQ, AQ, AK, AA, KK, QQ in his range that have you beat w/ a lot of redraws if you happen to turn a flush or gutshot. ur equity vs this range is 46%.
So in this situation its pretty much always 3betshove flop w/ the equity u have. (cbet on a flop is counted as first bet, raise as 2nd bet and reraise as 3bet)
Would like to see what the pros think if u were 100bb deep in this spot. shove flop or proceed causciously?
we have ~60% against this range:
Text results appended to pokerstove.txt
31,680 games 0.002 secs 15,840,000 games/sec
Board: As Kc Qc
Dead:
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 59.972% 51.82% 08.15% 16418 2581.00 { AcJc }
Hand 1: 40.028% 31.88% 08.15% 10100 2581.00 { AQs-ATs, KQs, JTs, Tc9c, 9c8c, 8c7c, AcKh, AcKs, AdKh, AdKs, AhKs, AQo-AJo, KQo }
just to show you that there's not much you can do here. fwiw, checking back this flop is an option, as there really aren't any cards we're scared of and i wouldn't expect to get a ton of action here. but once we bet we have WAY too much equity to fold.
i mean, even if we give him some combos of QQ-AA and AKs we have 56%:
Text results appended to pokerstove.txt
38,610 games 0.002 secs 19,305,000 games/sec
Board: As Kc Qc
Dead:
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 56.211% 49.44% 06.77% 19088 2615.00 { AcJc }
Hand 1: 43.789% 37.02% 06.77% 14292 2615.00 { AdAs, AhAs, KdKh, KdKs, KhKs, QdQh, QdQs, QhQs, AhKh, AsKs, AQs-ATs, KQs, JTs, Tc9c, 9c8c, 8c7c, AcKh, AcKs, AdKh, AdKs, AhKs, AQo-AJo, KQo }
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as the math shows, never ever folding.
Word thanks guys i figured it was pretty standard but just wanted to make sure i wasnt like overplaying a big draw. And as far as the open size i was opening aprox. 2.2x and my cbet was 3.5 sooo that was also anther thing i was consideirng with such small cbet into this pot i thought maybe it took that as a sign of weekness and me just wanting to commmit as little chips as possible to win the pot.
One question is if you had won the hand would you have posted here? It's important to analyze decisions, not based on results. Not saying you did that here, but it's food for thought.
Had he not played back at me no i would not have posted it however if he had checkraised and i still had won yes i would have i just wanted to make sure i wasnt crazy for thinkiing this is never a fold.
Hagbard Celine said:
we have ~60% against this range:
Text results appended to pokerstove.txt
31,680 games 0.002 secs 15,840,000 games/sec
Board: As Kc Qc
Dead:equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 59.972% 51.82% 08.15% 16418 2581.00 { AcJc }
Hand 1: 40.028% 31.88% 08.15% 10100 2581.00 { AQs-ATs, KQs, JTs, Tc9c, 9c8c, 8c7c, AcKh, AcKs, AdKh, AdKs, AhKs, AQo-AJo, KQo }
just to show you that there's not much you can do here. fwiw, checking back this flop is an option, as there really aren't any cards we're scared of and i wouldn't expect to get a ton of action here. but once we bet we have WAY too
much equity to fold.
i mean, even if we give him some combos of QQ-AA and AKs we have 56%:
Text results appended to pokerstove.txt
38,610 games 0.002 secs 19,305,000 games/sec
Board: As Kc Qc
Dead:equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 56.211% 49.44% 06.77% 19088 2615.00 { AcJc }
Hand 1: 43.789% 37.02% 06.77% 14292 2615.00 { AdAs, AhAs, KdKh, KdKs, KhKs, QdQh, QdQs, QhQs, AhKh, AsKs, AQs-ATs, KQs, JTs, Tc9c, 9c8c, 8c7c, AcKh, AcKs, AdKh, AdKs, AhKs, AQo-AJo, KQo }
i would take out AJ/AT and the flush draws and see what we have then since no one is ever c/r AJ/ AT here usually vs utg open and same with flush draws since utg range rapes this board. i think 4bet getting it in can never be bad but i dont mind seeing a turn
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