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July 17, 2016
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Hello, I am writing this because I am really tilted… In my games the people always limp and overlimp and overlimp… When I am the opener almost all the table call and always someone hit his fkin straight or his flush w J5s… I don´t know how to adjust… When I make an isolate it doesn´t work… and always I am playong a bigger pot w 4 or 5 fishes in the table… Sometimes I think that the best option is to play just shove or fold even w 100bb cause always calling w 55 or A9… My games are like a freeroll. In every fuckin table 5 or 6 fishes and I need please your advice. Had to be a nitty? Open 10x? What shoul I do? Because I see my training videos and the scenes are totally diferent. It´s difficult to play 1 single pot or 3bet pot heads up…May I have the master of multiway pots? Please some guidelines also in posflop play… May I have to cbet 100% or overbettin when I have TPTK? or a set in a drawy board? Need heeeelp? Thank you guys!!
June 2, 2013
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Hello! And welcome to TPE!
On donkaments you have to adjust. I use to raise to isolate a little bigger, lets say 3 people limp, I would raise ~7bb, (2bb from a mini raise, +3bb for the limpers, +2 because they suck lol), but this is when all are very deep, on about 22bb or less I shove, 22~30bb I raise about 11bb and shove most flops.
When people dont fold, i think the best is to wait for a hand, and bet for value, no bluffs, no crazy moves, you can´t wait for fold equity, so bet for value, they will pay you off very often.
Also, when you play a pot multiway, your hand needs to be stronger to play for stacks, when deep; Top pair top kicker will be good very often on a heads up pot, but probably will get in trouble on a 5 way pot.
I recomend you to watch making-better-continuation-decisions-with-andrew-brokos-part-1/ , there is 7 videos, watch them all, awsome content.
June 11, 2016
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this is my first ever reply so take my advice a s you will but i am a novice but think my reply is relevent
When lots of fish who wont fold even if you put a gun to their head are in your game try to play hands liek Axs or small pairs for cheap
Once you flop big extract maximum value
with big pairs QQ+ raise huge but not too huge so everyone folds it wil come with experience you want to try and get it headsup with a premium pair wheres Axs and small pairs have great implied odds versus fishyier opponents so you dont mind being multiway drawing to near the nuts
hope this helps !
I suck at cash games but I can crushhhhhhhh 1c/2c by doing the above so I know it works…oh also dont lose your cool dont tilt and start playing liek they do @their leveland everytime J3o beats your TT just laugh it off knowing full well in time the fishes money will be heading your way..I know its hard to laugh when losing but once youve played alot and seen all the beats it does get easier
Also dont move up stakes until you can easily beat tiny stakes as it gets harder in my experience..try to get more edges on them get a free hud oh and 1 more thing dont ever berate them in the chat box or teach them how to play better against you
If your ever feling liek going on tilt just stop playing for a bit also dont play when drunk/angry/tired/ill/emotional the game will always be there the next day
I now enjoy my bad beats/swings variance is huge cos when im ona downer i stopplaying and start studying to get even more of an edge
good luck
May 26, 2013
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I face more or less the same conditions at my local casino. The raise sizes that are normal these days do not do much in terms of deterring people from playing pots. People will be in pots with J4s, T7o, Q8s and so on so just because you have made it “so cheap” preflop.
I’ve tried to increase my raise size but often it doesn’t seem to make much difference since even one caller will draw others into the pot because they now feel that they now have the odds to call. Also, a larger raise size also meant that I lost more when they hit something – no matter how small – and became sticky and I was forced to give up.
So what I try to do now is basically to use small(-ish) raise sizes and then try to play better poker than they do postflop. Because they are often in the pot with such a poor hand selection you can basically count on having the post flop edge. I think that will make you more money in the long run compared to what using larger preflop raises will.
So even though it’s frustrating to lose to J6 or Q8 when you raise with AK or some other premium hand I think you will do best by sticking to your way of playing and by improving your way of playing. Adjusting by lowering you own standard of play will not help you, instead check out some of the many great videos on cbetting, sizing and maximizing value and you’ll pretty soon be on the right path.
February 14, 2013
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I guess you might try slowly increasing the raise size you choose until you find your opponents start to fold; so lets say currently when 2 ppl limp in you make it 5-6bb, try 7-8, then maybe 10, then 12 or 14. At some point ppl will fold, and I think once you find that threshold (lets pretend that its 10bb) you could make it say 8bb w like JJ+ and then 10bb w you high cards/JTs type stuff where you don’t really mind so much if they fold. I don’t play a ton of live cash or anything, so take what I say with a grain of salt, but this seems like a reasonable approach.
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August 25, 2012
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A lot of the advice you gave yourself is pretty good. Yes, when your opponents hate folding you have to play very tight, value bet them to death and rarely bluff. Give up when you miss the flop in a multi-way pot and go for max value when you hit. Overbetting is fine, especially on draw heavy boards. Big preflop raises with tight ranges are fine. It’s entirely possible the reason nobody folds to your isolation raises is because you’re making it too small – if you’ve got 5 limpers in front of you and you’re 100bb deep, anything less than a 6bb open is probably going to get called very frequently, and even 7-8bb might not be enough to get you a heads up pot if you don’t get past the first guy.
However, I would recommend that you spend some time on your mental game – you don’t control how your opponents play, and if the simple fact that your opponents are bad, passive players is enough to tilt you this badly, you probably have a tilt problem. A weak poker player should never make you angry with their decisions at the table. You should be super happy to see these players and playing against them should be fun, because you’re making a pile of money every time you do it, as long as you’re making the right decisions.
July 17, 2016
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Thanks guys for your posts. Obviously I wrote that because I ran very bad against that kind of player. Loose passive players make me tilt when they got their gutshots or their draws and then busted my tournaments. The point here is, like Matt said, to control the tilt because I think that in general that is more important than the size of openraising or isolation. And that is different depending on the stage of the tournament because in early stages I iso 4 bb plus 1 for each limper and in the middle stage when the stacks are smaller also my ISO are x3. It’s very nice when always are someone that helps you spending his time for you. Thank you again and sorry for my English. Poker is not the unique thing I have to improve 🙂
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