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Standard river shove? or not?

lanc0036

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July 22, 2010 - 7:43 pm

I've got a little bit of history here with this villian. He has been on my right for about 200 hands and he is running 33/26 and is very agro. He's quite spewy and has gotten lucky and accumulated a very large stack.

Is the hand below enough to warrant risking my current tourney equity to accumulate more chips? I'm not sure I should be risking that many BB's this late in the game. I believe I was 13th of 68 remaining. Kinda wondering what the pros would do in this spot.

Poker Stars $10 No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t600/t1200 Blinds + t125 – 8 players
Hand Conversion courtesy of Tournament Poker Edge

MP1: BB = 4.2, t4997
MP2: BB = 68.8, t82577
CO: BB = 51.4, t61697
BTN: BB = 207.8, t249331
SB: BB = 40.6, t48707
Hero (BB): BB = 156.7, t188063
UTG: BB = 89.7, t107631
UTG+1: BB = 116.5, t139845

Pre Flop: (t2800) Hero is BB with 8 of spades 7 of hearts
5 folds, BTN raises to t2400, SB calls t1800, Hero calls t1200

Flop: (t8200) 7 of diamonds 7 of clubs 6 of spades (3 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, BTN bets t4800, SB folds, Hero calls t4800

Turn: (t17800) A of clubs (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets t12000, Hero calls t12000

River: (t41800) T of diamonds (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets t63800, Hero raises to t168738 all in, BTN calls t104938

I can post the results of the hand a little later I just wanted to see what people thought of this before I show the outcome.

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July 22, 2010 - 8:01 pm

Does he have AA,1010 or 89, A10? Confused by the over bet on the river by him. His range is obv very wide pre-flop considering his position and stack size. His bet on the flop could be just a standard c-bet also with over cards or Ax type of hands.

I don't know what he has as i'm not very good at hand reading / analysis yet.

I don't think there is any way to get away from this hand on the river though. I guess you could just call on the river instead of shoving but the pot is getting pretty big.

I Would love to hear what others think..sorry i'm of no help to you in this thread lol but for what its worth “I fist pump get it in” on the river 🙂

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July 22, 2010 - 9:10 pm

Even if u know that villain is so much agro, I think I would just check-call the river. His overbet on river can be bluff or value, here u have to guess, but when he calls you I think most of the time you're behind, unless he's calling with strong A. So as for me I would rather save my tourney life, than risk whole my stack in this situation. Pot is already huge, if u're wrong with shoving and just calling u still left about 90 BBs.

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July 22, 2010 - 10:53 pm

i think i check call the river only because he is so confident and makes such big bet. the big bet on river would actually save me some money cause he would really have me thinking here. funny thing is if he makes a normall type value bet he'll get all my chips(if im beat) cause im shoving rivr. beause he made such big river bet i think im calling

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July 22, 2010 - 11:56 pm

I check call here, by raising we will only get called by a better hand.

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July 23, 2010 - 11:31 am

yes you are deep but the flat call pre is a bit suspect. you smash the flop obv but i do like check call on the riv. i think if you intend to check jam the riv you should check raise the turn and make your intentions known that you intend to lead the riv. the strength you show on the turn may get him to just call your river bet. showing zero strength on the turn may have ginen your apponent the idea that your week hence the call. would like to know his hand tho

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July 23, 2010 - 3:51 pm

I just call at the river, the only possible hand you have beat that bets the river here is AT, and lots of players may check that behind. Check raising the river turns your hand face up because it is just such a strong play. This just seems so much like AA here, even if he is a spewer. 89 is the other hand this looks a lot like. Both have you beat, so I don't see the value in shoving here.

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July 23, 2010 - 6:51 pm

Ya I think what I should have done is check raise the turn large for value. Turns out he did have 89d like you suspected.