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July 4, 2013
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Im aware that there are many variables in bet siizing. Changing bet sizing to bot extract value and/or build a pot ( or prevent the bloating of the pot) however I'd assume every player has a standard pre flop, post flop % and 3 bet size that they return to time and time again. What are some of your sizings and how to they differ from your live MTT vs Online MTT strategy?
Simply put there is much more information readily availiable to each player when playing online, and because of this it seems as though players appear to click whats in front of them and are easily aware of pot size/player stack sizes. With that information being a little more difficult to obtain live. How do you change your 3/4 bet sizing, % of pot after the flop and standard preflop raises when moving into live tournaments.
November 4, 2013
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Live is mostly feel for me. I find I actually have more information available to me in a live setting, even though I don't have my HUD. I can generalize a lot of details about a player, and since I'm only playing one table, I can build profiles for the players a lot easier. I can use this to size bets and raises better based on the player and their tendancies. For my opens though I do have a standard. It's in between 2.1 and 2.5, level dependant. If there are limpers, it gets bigger.
Online opens are pretty much the same. It's rare that I start min raising, but as I get deep in tournaments I do start to mix that in. I do my best to keep it completely random, usually by min raising when the first card is red and 2.xing when the first card is black. This way the actual hand doesn't matter, and you should end up with a 50% spread.
Bet sizing post flop online is one of my weakest areas, as I'm very static. I tend to be in the 30-40% range on flop and turn, and river is more in the 60% range. I do try to mix it up, but I don't think I'm doing that well enough yet. As for specific sizing, I use a 1111111, 222222, or a 123456, 876543 approach.
Hi. I had a question almost exactly the same. Every video the pros use betting sizes as tells. Inorder to be unreadable as far as bet sizing tell. Say i min raise when I enter a pot and if Im first to act or i call an earlier player who checks. What problems would I face if I 1/2 bet pot on flop, turn and river every hand I play. And make a decision if and when Im raised.
This has been bothering me for months and I was going to post the same size bet issue tonight.
Thanks for any Info. Tom
September 29, 2012
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This is my sizing when playing live. I play mostly live games.
Post flop my bet sizings rarely change until we get late in the tournament. For sizing, I like most bets anywhere between 1/3 to pot sized. In general, most of my bets are between 1/2 and 3/4 pot, based on board texture and player(s) in the pot. When i bet 1/3 or full pot or overbet it is usually an adjustment based on something out of the ordinary in my read to hand or something.
61+ BBs – 3x is my standard. (+1 for each limper). I typically 3x my 3 bets as well (+1 for each caller).
31 – 60BBs – I 2.5x my opens and 3 bets.
16 – 30BBs – I 2.25x my opens and 3 bets.
15 or less is usually a shove.
In late game, I can downsize my post flop bets by about 10%, since players are mostly playing more hit or miss poker at that stage in the live daily MTTs I play in. If the blinds are 1,000/2,000 + 200 with 40k stacks near the bubble, and I raise 4,500, get one caller the pot will be 13,800. If my standard bet would be half pot on the flop, 6,900, a bet of about 6,000 will do the same thing post flop in most cases. The ranges become inelastic at that point in many live MTTs I play. If I am in the pot with a good player, I still stick to my standard sizings post flop though.
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August 25, 2012
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In general I don’t think there’s any massive reason to change your betsizings drastically when playing live vs online. I would say keeping them more or less the same is absolutely fine. However, I do think it’s worthwhile to use some very specific, exploitative betsizings from time to time in live situations, since you can get very specific reads on the strength of a player’s hand from time to time. You might make a very small, very thin valuebet, or a big overshove with the nuts against a weak player who’s never going to fold top pair. Just stay attentive and focus on exploiting players, and use the information you get from the live setting – don’t try to reinvent the wheel or change your game completely.
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