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October 6, 2010
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Cassava Poker $10 $1 No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t25/t50 Blinds – 7 players
TournamentPokerEdge.com Hand History Converter
UTG+1: t1378 27.56 BBs
MP: t1815 36.30 BBs
CO: t1231 24.62 BBs
BTN: t4810 96.20 BBs
Hero (SB): t1700 34 BBs
BB: t1817 36.34 BBs
UTG: t2130 42.60 BBs
Pre Flop: (t75) Hero is SB with A
J
4 folds, BTN raises to t150, Hero calls t125, BB calls t100
Flop: (t450) J
3 4
(3 players)
Hero checks, BB bets t337, BTN raises to t700, Hero folds,
maybe villian has seen a vid or two of the bigdog and never believes the donk lead…. lol.
Alright, these spots are always tough. Ur calling OOP with a decent suited ace. In these situations the hardest decision comes pre. You have to ask urself if an ace or a j hits on a dry board how would i proceed. If ur not willing to play ur top pr here then I prefer fold pre because we will be flopping a flush almost never. On the other side, if villian had u dominated pre, AK or AQ u now have him dominated post. I would expect a raise in pos from a big stack. Range is unlimited unless villian is nitty. Here we have top pr top kicker likely the best hand so far. If the ace would have flopped i'd have more worries but not the J.
i think the decision definately comes pre with these type hands. If I make the decision to call then I'm also making the decison to play. I either go bust or double here 100%….. on this board.
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October 6, 2010
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i think the big factor here is that its 3 handed not heads up.
i think it changes the whole situation.
A check raise here would probably tell you where you are in the hand since you would expect the obligatory c-bet.
May 26, 2010
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Tough spot.
You are probably ahead of the big stacks button open, so I'm learning towards a 3 bet to something like 450, hope the bb folds, he calls and you go heads up oop (or he folds pre and you take it down right then and there). Then I prob check-call his flop bet and evaluate from there. Keep worse hands in his range and let him bluff off some chips while playing some pot control at the same time.
I think the big stack re-raising the flop bet does not necessarly mean hes super strong. He has opened pre-flop, hes got position, a stack and that flop is very dry and uncoordinated so he could possibly bluff or semi bluff raise the flop bet because he thinks his hand is good, or he thinks that the bb's oop 'donk bet' means nothing (which is usually the case)
Villans range is pretty wide IMO. He could be raising small pocket pairs like 55-66-77-88-99 preflop and on the flop to 'find out where hes at'.
I don't think a check-raise is a good idea here since you will probably get him to fold out his weaker hands (missed over cards, small-mid pp's). Why not check-call the flop and let him spew off more chips on the turn if the turn is a safe, low uncoordinated card..but if he comes over the top of your check raise you are probably beat. I know this is a $10 dollar tournament so that also has to be factored in to the equation..the villan could have KJ ffs lol.
Any reads on the guy? does he open every button? has he been aggro? calling station?…If he has QQ,KK,AA in this spot its probably just unlucky for you..I say check-call the flop, and get it in on the turn. The pot on the turn is about 1500 ish so you have a little more then a pot sized bet.
Would like to see the result of the hand…What do you guys think the villans range is for opening the button with a big stack and re-raising an oop 'donk bet'?
October 6, 2010
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in the OP i should have mentioned that villain on the button was a massive loose passive fish, like 46/8 or something like that, so i read his min raise as super strong in this spot.
if it was heads up, i dont mind check call line here, we are only really afraid of Q and K since QJ and KJ are obviously in both ranges, but the min raise of the donk lead just looked like extreme strength to me
bennymacca said:
in the OP i should have mentioned that villain on the button was a massive loose passive fish, like 46/8 or something like that, so i read his min raise as super strong in this spot.
if it was heads up, i dont mind check call line here, we are only really afraid of Q and K since QJ and KJ are obviously in both ranges, but the min raise of the donk lead just looked like extreme strength to me
personally im never flatting pre. Way too hard to play postflop oop with just over 30bigs. either folding or 3betting.
given read…….and given the BBs stack size, this raise to 700 is almost never a bluff. Looks as though he has QQ+ i fold.
I wouldn't fold on this flop. It's pretty much exactly what you are hoping for, plus now there is ~1500 in the pot and you have a 1700 stack. The button is a fish and the lead out is almost always weak. BB would never lead a set here IMO.
It's a $10 donkament, you have TOP TOP vs a fish and a weak lead. I'm not folding. You also have backdoor nut diamonds and backdoor wheel draws.
button can easily be spazzing out with worse hands. There's only 3 hands you are really worried about… QQ/KK/AA. If he has it, he has it… I really hate folding here given how you played it and with the villian reads/stats.
October 6, 2010
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i ended up folding because his line just screamed overpair to me. cant remember exactly why, it may have been a timing tell or something. he ended up having kings and stacking 25o lol.
thanks for the advice guys
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