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I know this move is super standard because im kinda getting shortstacked and I have a super premium, but I can never see my opponent doing this with less that AA and KK at this buy ins
Poker Stars $5.00+$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t75/t150 Blinds + t20 – 9 players
TournamentPokerEdge.com Hand History Converter
michalkobe (MP1): BB = 42.5, t6375, M = 15.74
J.M.a.TT.o.P (MP2): BB = 189.7, t28450, M = 70.25
vasiont (CO): BB = 17.4, t2615, M = 6.46
jg1908 (BTN): BB = 23.9, t3590, M = 8.86
Hero (SB): BB = 33.3, t5001, M = 12.35
eric5484 (BB): BB = 102.8, t15418, M = 38.07
doblezzero (UTG): BB = 188.5, t28281, M = 69.83
VTS71 (UTG+1): BB = 122.9, t18431, M = 45.51
MegasAlex1 (UTG+2): BB = 93.8, t14066, M = 34.73
Pre Flop: (t405) Hero is SB with Q
Q
1 fold, VTS71 calls t150, 3 folds, vasiont calls t150, 1 fold, Hero raises to t600, eric5484 raises to t1500, 2 folds, Hero raises to t4981 all in, eric5484 calls t3481
Flop: (t10442) 2
5 7 (2 players – 1 is all in)
Turn: (t10442) 8 (2 players – 1 is all in)
River: (t10442) 4 (2 players – 1 is all in)
I wouldnt fold preflop unless you have a read/stats that he's super nitty and hasnt 3bet in a million hands. He could still have AK or JJ. I would prolly flat his 3bet and check/ship any flop with no overs in case he has AK.
October 6, 2010
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bvb i think this is pretty standard, and he could definitely do this with worse
yap pretty standard, or like goliath said float 3b, and get it in on a flop with no overcards
bennymacca said:
bvb i think this is pretty standard, and he could definitely do this with worse
there is a limper ahead so it does make it a slightly different dynamic, makes the 3bet look stronger
“but I can never see my opponent doing this with less that AA and KK at this buy ins”
In a $5 tourny? Your kidding right? People at these stakes, and I play them every day, 3bet call all in w AJ, midpairs, KQ….
Putting villain on aces or kings because “at these stakes” people wont do that with lesser holdings is nonsense.
in general you should just 4betshove ai unless you are 100% sure villain only does this with AA/KK. Flatting the 3bet oop for 30% of your stack just sounds absurd.
In this case I can see villain having those two hands as he prolly wouldnt like to loose 1/3 of his stack with JJ or flip with AK or be dominated vs AA/KK and 3betting you after you raised a limppot oop from the sb. But he could be putting you on hands weaker than QQ like 99-JJ or AJ/AQ.
Looking at this specific situation I think it's just a hard spot to get away from and if he has it he has it.
KingBustYou said:
“but I can never see my opponent doing this with less that AA and KK at this buy ins”
In a $5 tourny? Your kidding right? People at these stakes, and I play them every day, 3bet call all in w AJ, midpairs, KQ….
Putting villain on aces or kings because “at these stakes” people wont do that with lesser holdings is nonsense.
in general you should just 4betshove ai unless you are 100% sure villain only does this with AA/KK. Flatting the 3bet oop for 30% of your stack just sounds absurd.
In this case I can see villain having those two hands as he prolly wouldnt like to loose 1/3 of his stack with JJ or flip with AK or be dominated vs AA/KK and 3betting you after you raised a limppot oop from the sb. But he could be putting you on hands weaker than QQ like 99-JJ or AJ/AQ.
Looking at this specific situation I think it's just a hard spot to get away from and if he has it he has it.
you want to be careful with your tone, saying people's opinions are 'nonsense' and 'absurd' is only going to incite an argument. Thats not how we want this forum 
take it ezy guys. its all for the sake of learning. we're all in this together.
bjizz
October 6, 2010
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bjizzle44 said:
take it ezy guys. its all for the sake of learning. we're all in this together.
bjizz
I apologize for the way I came over in my reply. I realize that it does sounds like I'm a douchy pro wannabe, but in no way would I like to berate others in the fashion I have done. I will watch my tone in the future and be more constructive with my opinions as we are all here to help each other. So again I sincerely apologize and hope we can get a long again 🙂
no harm done my friend. I know myself how easy it is to get the tone of a post wrong and have been called out for it before. Now I tend to stick to 'i think this' and 'i would do that' rather than try and disprove anybody elses theories anymore, it is so easy to sound like a douche when doing that.
You guys covered the hand I think. One thing I want to add about the subject heading of this post. Nothing in poker is “standard” in my opinion. The table dynamics are always different and you always have to treat each hand individually. Just a thought.
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