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Just got moved to the table and have a 52bb and am currently 10 in chips. Villian is ImDaNuts, not sure about his game really and he has me covered. Blinds are at 300/600 ante 50.
Hero is in BB. 2 folds. Imdanuts raises to 1200. folds to hero in BB with Ac2c.
Flop in 2h4c6c.
Hero checks, villian bets 1800, hero c/r to 4800, villian shoves for ~35k
Now at this point in the tournament, there is about 120 people left and 81 cash. Couple questions, is flatting here a better option? I'm pretty much committed once I raise? My raise size looks kinda like bs, is a bigger raise in order?
thanks for responses
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March 17, 2010
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I'm calling. Got the odds for a gigantic stack.
fwiw, I'mdanuts is super aggro but even without knowing that i'm going for it here. He could have a worse FD and he could have an overpair which you're good vs to with all those outs.
Pair + NFD + Aggro LP spewymonkey = nuts
I don't like your flat pre tho, better fold or 3 bet
July 3, 2010
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spewy monkey? lol
I'll be one of those too if it gets me his results and a #1 ranking.
July 3, 2010
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It's too weak to call a raise out of position against one of the best online mtt players in the world.
It's also too weak to call a raise OOP against even an average player.
How good are you feeling if an Ace flops? Do you plan on check calling all streets for a ton of your stack?
He's not that light here, fwiw.
my hand is fairly easy to play post flop…even if I flop an ace, as I would be probably only check/calling one street unless i improve.
for a min raise and >50bb i still think calling here is the best option, calling>folding>>raising
for the fact that he is flatting in the position here enough that raising is my last option.
I would like to hear other opinions on this too though.
July 3, 2010
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Raise/folding > Folding > Calling
You're not going to outplay him. Especially not OOP.
And doubt he's giving you free cards so you're saying you'll check fold any double barrel when you flop and ace and don't make two pair?
I mean are you looking to take a massive flip against him with just a flush draw?
Then why are you calling to begin with?
At least a 3 bet from an unknown and someone brand new to the table has a chance of being respected and you might get him to fold pre.
He's definitely raising wide but not putting his entire stack on the line real light when he can prob outplay everyone at the table.
Curious to see how the rest of the hand played.
Also, a fold still leaves you like 45 bb. You're so far away from being committed…
I'm calling to basically flop hands like this. I respect your reasoning for 3b, and maybe its not as bad as I originally thought, in fact it makes sense. I did think about but as I said before I thought his % for flatting in position would be way to high for me to resteal profitably.
Im a slight favorite against 77-KK, way in front of other combo draws/clubs, small dog against two pair hands, and still have 30% equity aginst sets.
from my point of view he has overpairs probably 85%, 10% two pairs/sets, 5% combo draws. Again, i know he is a reg and #1 ranked player in the world right now, but is this a fair assessment?
fwiw, he had 10c10x. I called and as you said I lost a massive flip. but 13 outs twice, is some good stuff for a massive chip stack right before bubble, no?
July 3, 2010
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I thnk we just disagree on playing styles in this spot and I'm not even saying I'm correct.
But if I have a top 10 stack already I'm not looking to take a flip against another huge stack deep in a big tournament. Obv. doubling would be nice but we're flipping to do so and if we lose we just busted with a top 10 stack. I don't like it.
The issue here is I think he puts you on a flush draw and he shoves anyway.
Two flush draws versus each other isn't that common so I tilt the range I assign him away from that and more toward overpairs.
I think flatting his c-bet is starting to make your hand pretty transparent, too.
That's why I just muck it preflop or take a stab at 3 betting … but I prob just fold pre. Comfortable chip stack and no need to get tangled up here.
But your call is fine once we get to that point. Not because you're committed but because it's a flip almost always and now there's lots of money in the middle.
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