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Goplayer01

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January 26, 2014 - 12:45 am

Comrades,

I would like to put to you the below hand and get your thoughts on it. Villain is CO, I'm SB. Early on, when short stacked to 15BB, I played aggressively with a few all-in raises and 3bets. I doubled up with a monster. Since that double up I played tight (folded) for about 20 hands. Villain raises from the CO and the story unfolds.

Please note that we are in the bubble (80 seats away from the money). My personal take on the hand is that I should have let it go and I was pretty stupid trying to defend my blind on what I felt was a steal. Moving beyond that, i want to know what you think of the betting pattern, especially on the turn and the river. I clearly have no fold equity on the river so betting was pretty stupid. On the other hand, should/could I have gone all-in on the turn? I felt my turn bet was pretty strong and he clearly had a strong opinion on what I was holding. However, my opinion is that going all-in on the turn would have looked weaker.

Thanks for your help

PokerStars Hand #110739570085: Tournament #850815234, $10+$1 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XVII (400/800) - 2014/01/25 17:04:37 ET
Table '850815234 515' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: antippp1 (38912 in chips) 
Seat 2: mahowny777 (8052 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 3: maori 62 (12767 in chips) 
Seat 4: bigdiamond00 (35960 in chips) 
Seat 5: Sad Storage (27697 in chips) 
Seat 6: ghostick (55372 in chips) 
Seat 7: xRMD03x (8769 in chips) 
Seat 8: Goplayer01 (34439 in chips) 
Seat 9: brap633 (12585 in chips) 
antippp1: posts the ante 100
mahowny777: posts the ante 100
maori 62: posts the ante 100
bigdiamond00: posts the ante 100
Sad Storage: posts the ante 100
ghostick: posts the ante 100
xRMD03x: posts the ante 100
Goplayer01: posts the ante 100
brap633: posts the ante 100
Goplayer01: posts small blind 400
brap633: posts big blind 800
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Goplayer01 [Qh 3s]
antippp1: folds 
mahowny777: folds 
maori 62: folds 
bigdiamond00: folds 
Sad Storage: folds 
ghostick: raises 800 to 1600
xRMD03x: folds 
Goplayer01: raises 2400 to 4000
brap633: folds 
ghostick: calls 2400
*** FLOP *** [Jc 7s 3c]
Goplayer01: bets 4800
ghostick: calls 4800
*** TURN *** [Jc 7s 3c] [6h]
Goplayer01: bets 11200
ghostick: calls 11200
*** RIVER *** [Jc 7s 3c 6h] [2d]
Goplayer01: bets 14339 and is all-in
ghostick: calls 14339
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Goplayer01: shows [Qh 3s] (a pair of Threes)
ghostick: shows [Ah 3h] (a pair of Threes - Ace kicker)
ghostick collected 70378 from pot
Goplayer01 finished the tournament in 1748th place
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 70378 | Rake 0 
Board [Jc 7s 3c 6h 2d]
Seat 1: antippp1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: mahowny777 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: maori 62 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: bigdiamond00 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: Sad Storage folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: ghostick showed [Ah 3h] and won (70378) with a pair of Threes
Seat 7: xRMD03x (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: Goplayer01 (small blind) showed [Qh 3s] and lost with a pair of Threes
Seat 9: brap633 (big blind) folded before Flop

2headedmonst

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January 26, 2014 - 8:03 pm

I think you already answered the obvious best line to take and that is fold pre-flop. The problem is that I don't think you are deep enough to try to outplay him on the flop, turn, and river to steal the pot away from him, even if you think he is just trying to steal blinds and antes. I hate getting myself into these spots. I think there are plenty of better spots you can find than this. And he obviously had some amazing read on what you were doing. Wow. So that is why I advocate folding pre-flop.

With that being said, if you decide you are making your stand against him this hand, I think a better line after your pre-flop 3-bet would be possibly a check-shove on the flop. I think that is the best way you'll have fold equity and make your hand look super strong.

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January 27, 2014 - 4:15 am

I fold pre, no need to try bully here. Prefer putting people to the test in pos. don’t hate doing this every now and again oop as it looks strong but prefer doing so with suited aces/connectors/gappers that can flop something decent/easier to play post. Q3 is pushing it oop IMO.

Great read by villain or reckless ??? Maybe he has a note on u from another tourney based on your description.

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January 28, 2014 - 4:01 pm

This is why 3betting light is pretty redundent in MTTs these days without the piror read that the player folds to many 3bets. This is especially true against players like me who hate folding to 3bets in potision and will defend their buttons liberally and not give up on pots easily. Yes villians call down is hugely EV negative but thats what you get for making plays without reads and 3betting with the wrong range against the wrong opponents. As for the hand, if you were to play it i would prefer to defend with call other than a 3bet and make plays on boards through check/raises and floats on boards that hit your flatting range then bluffing good runouts and stuff like that. But honestly you should of folded pre as you dont get dealt to many worse hands than Q,3 offsuit it has apsolutely no or very little big pot potential.

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January 29, 2014 - 10:30 pm

Thanks guys, this was helpful.

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