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SM KJcc 3bet pot OOP bluff river or not and if what sizing
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April 4, 2016 - 2:52 pm
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Hello,

 

villain is 20/13 with 11.4% 3bet 15.4(13) vs EP IP. think flat pre is fine?

 

idea was to call flop and c/shove cluband maybe J. c/c on K and give up else.

 

check back of villain on that turn is either give up or trap.

 

Hand Conversion Powered by WeakTight Poker Hand History Converter
No Limit Holdem Tournament PokerStars
9 Players
$200+$15
Blinds 500/1,000 9
UTG Merceko 27,354
UTG+1 Assad91 18,560
MP1 Hero 36,163
MP2 nurythedog 11,830
MP3 KingGr 15,140
CO eijseijs 9,976
D jaggalo1231 30,116
SB Youngers 23,453
BB zen_mec 39,889
Preflop
9 2,400 Hero is MP1 J K
2 folds, Hero raises to 2,215, 3 folds, jaggalo1231 raises to 6,000, 2 folds, Hero calls 3,785
Flop
2 14,400 3 9 6
Hero checks, jaggalo1231 bets 4,400, Hero calls 4,400
Turn
2 23,200 8
Hero checks, jaggalo1231 checks
River
2 23,200 3
Final Pot 23,200

 

whug river villain has 19.6k behind?

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Close but I fold pre-flop. Even against an aggro 3-better, I doubt your equity is that good, and it’s a pretty large 3-bet. I certainly fold flop, and I don’t think your plan is likely to be a profitable one. For one thing, it’s going to result in you folding very frequently on the turn, and even when you do stick it in, I don’t think your equity will be that great.

As played, I think a modest bluff designed to get V off of Ace-high is in order, something like 6K.

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i must admit in game i did not realize the size of the 3bet

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Yeah, I agree with Andrew here. If you’re specifically check-calling flop to bluff river then that’s maybe a slightly better plan, but check-shoving turn is kind of suicidal since you’re not going to have much equity at all on many turn cards versus villain’s two-barrelling range. I can’t think of many good hands to 2-barrel and fold on this board – your J probably blocks most of them, and since villain is in position preflop they likely don’t 3-bet much JT or QJ type stuff.

The turn is only going to come a club or J ~25% of the time, and I see very few instances in which villain would barrel twice on those cards and fold to a check-shove. You’re not even in fantastic shape against his two-barrelling range when you turn a K, considering he might not often bet TT-QQ for value on that turn.

Generally I think calling preflop is marginal at best (at this stack size it’s probably best to defend your opening range by 4-bet shoving a little more and rarely flat-calling OOP), and I think your postflop plan is not a great one. However, I don’t mind a river bluff at this point despite the fact you rep very little (T9s? 98s? I imagine you 4-bet shove 88-99 pre and potentially fold 66, so…), since K high is fairly close to the bottom of your range and villain fairly transparently doesn’t have many hands in his range better than A high at this point.

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theginger45 said

Generally I think calling preflop is marginal at best (at this stack size it’s probably best to defend your opening range by 4-bet shoving a little more and rarely flat-calling OOP), 

hmm would you shove this hand? or what would be your range.

I also did a pio analysis on this hand once with a linear 3betting range and once with a polar range. pio actually checked called vs both ranges and open shoved turn if club hit.  I also run it with slightly lager SPR and then c/r turn seems to be more of an option.

just paying more attention next time to the sizing would help me.

In game i actually bet river 13k as i figured this should have the same effect as a bet compared to all in but it saves me 10k in the case i am beat.

villain snap shoved and i fold

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Florian,

Just wanted to say thanks for taking the time to put this stuff into Piosolver and post the results. You’ve convinced me to check it out myself (my previous experience has been with GTORB, but I don’t use it enough to warrant paying for it).

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