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20c 14:15 est. I checked the turn because I felt this player would float my flop bet pretty wide and stab on the turn when checked to. Giving this info what should my raise size be? 7000-8000 and if it is more to the latter should I just shove giving that it's more then half my stack?
Poker Stars $20+$2 No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t200/t400 Blinds + t50 – 9 players
TournamentPokerEdge.com Hand History Converter
Sunny220v (SB): BB = 11.4, t4555
Twengod (BB): BB = 16.8, t6738
petemund (UTG): BB = 14.5, t5795
HaffaHaffa (UTG+1): BB = 43.9, t17573
Hero (UTG+2): BB = 44.0, t17586
rsca03 (MP1): BB = 72.8, t29127
Parbington (MP2): BB = 50.9, t20341
BenRei (CO): BB = 56.4, t22559
FreakYouOut (BTN): BB = 23.7, t9480
Pre Flop: (t1050) Hero is UTG+2 with A
K
2 folds, Hero raises to t800, rsca03 calls t800, 5 folds
Flop: (t2650) 6
K
4 (2 players)
Hero bets t1325, rsca03 calls t1325
Turn: (t5300) 9 (2 players)
Hero checks, rsca03 bets t2474
Pretty safe flop and turn for your hand. so I would 3bet small like 5900 to induce a shove from him not planning to fold. if he calls I shove the rest of my chips on the river regardless. if he calls and hits a miracle card so be it (for example if has 2 clubs or 77 and hits a 7 etc….).
I just think you might get more hands you beat to either call and miss (he certainly is deep enough to do so) or try to bluff you.
I dont like the check/raise personally. Your intuition was right but what happens if he checks back here, then you just lost a street of value. Bet the turn a little less than half and maybe he still raises. No need to get cute here imo.
October 6, 2010
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agree with isaac here, if you are going to check raise, just click it back and get it in. if villain calls then just stuff it in on the river.
having said that, i think leading >>> check raising.
thnk of what you would do if you were villain and you had KT/KJ/KQ.
i would play it the same way that villain has done, but now if i get check raised i would smell something fishy and could possibly get away from the hand.
bennymacca said:
agree with isaac here, if you are going to check raise, just click it back and get it in. if villain calls then just stuff it in on the river.
having said that, i think leading >>> check raising.
thnk of what you would do if you were villain and you had KT/KJ/KQ.
i would play it the same way that villain has done, but now if i get check raised i would smell something fishy and could possibly get away from the hand.
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OP is implying that for that villain has a wide calling range on the
flop. A two barrell is going to cost us chips by making villain fold all
kinds of air hands that he might take a stab with.
For that reason I agree with Issac that a small raise is best play.
You may induce a bluff jam and chances are if villain has a loose table
dynamic he might flat KT, KJ, and is almost certainly is calling kq too.
Also KT and KJ probably isn't calling the third bullet anyway which is another reason to ck/rai turn given op's read.
July 3, 2010
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What does he float the flop with that comes over the top of a check/raise on the Turn?
The flop is so dry that he can float with midpairs, Ace high, and random hands but only a set continues against you after you check/raise Turn.
If anything just call and check/call river or do something at that point.
If you're looking to get all-in on the Turn against him you're far better off sticking out a weak looking bet yourself than cr'ing all-in if he has any sort of decent aggression level.
Lead turn. Get value from AX and charge the draw. C/R'ing is a loss of value if villian checks back here. As played, get it in now while villain is still drawing or behind.
hawkeyeK9 said:
I dont like the check/raise personally. Your intuition was right but what happens if he checks back here, then you just lost a street of value. Bet the turn a little less than half and maybe he still raises. No need to get cute here imo.
I don't c/r here either, he can't fold a king so bet the hell outta him and dont let him check back turn. I'd lead turn for probably the size he made it when you checked to him or a little more like 2800.
As played I don't understand why your trying to c/r the turn if your reason for checking turn was cause he'd float you and fire turn light. If this is the case hes just folding, ya you got an extra bet but if you truly believe he was just floating you shouldn't you call here and let him continue bluffing.
FkCoolers said:
What does he float the flop with that comes over the top of a check/raise on the Turn?
The flop is so dry that he can float with midpairs, Ace high, and random hands but only a set continues against you after you check/raise Turn.
If anything just call and check/call river or do something at that point.
If you're looking to get all-in on the Turn against him you're far better off sticking out a weak looking bet yourself than cr'ing all-in if he has any sort of decent aggression level.
Not a fan of a check/raise here either. 100% agree with FkCoolers about leading small on turn if you wanna try and get it all in here. I'd prob call turn and kinda torn on leading river or check/calling river.
Cougars4444 said:
FkCoolers said:
What does he float the flop with that comes over the top of a check/raise on the Turn?
The flop is so dry that he can float with midpairs, Ace high, and random hands but only a set continues against you after you check/raise Turn.
If anything just call and check/call river or do something at that point.
If you're looking to get all-in on the Turn against him you're far better off sticking out a weak looking bet yourself than cr'ing all-in if he has any sort of decent aggression level.
Not a fan of a check/raise here either. 100% agree with FkCoolers about leading small on turn if you wanna try and get it all in here. I'd prob call turn and kinda torn on leading river or check/calling river.
Leading is def. my regular line but I had notes on this guy that he liked to float alot(which he has done to me in the past more then once). Part of my reasoning for check raising in this hand was I wanted to be able to bet flop/check turn on future hands and not be auto bet into.Is this thinking flawed? Should I be taking this line with more marginal hands (ex. mid or btm pair) and keep it simple and go for two streets of value this hand?
I like your rationale personally. I also still think you get way more value letting villain bet turn compared to all the folds you are going to get on a two barrell.
The ck/call vs ck/rai argument is worth debate, but I think the people in the lead out turn camp here aren't maximizing the value of in the hand.
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