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shove or fold with JQs
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September 8, 2019 - 2:43 am
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#Game No : 1115671995
***** 888poker Hand History for Game 1115671995 *****
1,250/2,500 Blinds No Limit Holdem – ***
Tournament #143275150 Free 10 Max (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 8
Seat 1: opapro ( 36,084 )
Seat 2: london_ace ( 21,153 )
Seat 3: Saint600 ( 42,939 )
Seat 4: KB_74 ( 74,817 )
Seat 5: Dred_Rednose ( 104,297 )
Seat 7: JohaDeib ( 104,925 )
Seat 9: KingArturio1 ( 75,261 )
Seat 10: Marma07 ( 66,515 )
JohaDeib posts ante [300]
Dred_Rednose posts ante [300]
KingArturio1 posts ante [300]
opapro posts ante [300]
london_ace posts ante [300]
Saint600 posts ante [300]
KB_74 posts ante [300]
Marma07 posts ante [300]
london_ace posts small blind [1,250]
Saint600 posts big blind [2,500]
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to london_ace [ Jd, Qd ]
KB_74 folds
Dred_Rednose folds
JohaDeib calls [2,500]
KingArturio1 raises [8,250]
Marma07 folds
opapro folds
london_ace folds
Saint600 folds
JohaDeib calls [5,750]

 

hey, this was quite an active table but I don’t have much reads on these opponents. I was unsure if this was a shove , given our stacksize I don’t think its terrible…it depends on the range we put them…

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I think you need a lot more fold equity to shove QJs here.  Wait for an open shove, even with a worse hand is far better.

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It would be a mistake to shove QJs over the original MP opener, let alone facing a 3bet. I’d 100% be shoving vs CO/BTN open but, as mentioned by 3for3, you have very little fold equity against a single raise so I want to be sure my opponent is in a position where their range is fairly wide.

One of the issues with QJs (and similar hands like QTs,JTs) is that you block some of your opponent’s weakest hands. Although your hand has decent equity against very strong ranges, I prefer re-shoving hands like KJs,KTs,ATs, and even A9/A8s. Not here, I think I’d be looking for 77,AQo,AJs (and anything worse than 99/AQs/AQ is kinda marginal). The 3bettor’s range should be a little too strong for us to get involved wide, even with only 10.5bb.

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@Ducking , he never 3bet he raised a limper?

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Whoops, totally misread that. Doesn’t change the fact that I think we just have to fold but that does make it closer. Villain’s range for raising a limper may be slightly wider than their open range in some situations, but on 30bb I would expect the opposite to be true, especially with all the shortstacks behind (BTN/blinds all <20bb).

Can shove wider than ranges I gave, something like 66,ATs,AJ,KQs might be appropriate. Maybe not if we suspect the limper is frequently slowplaying monsters. If limper is 33/10 then I’m not too worried. If they are something like 22/15, their range might be ~1/2 nutted combos and I’d revert to the tighter ranges from my first post.

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