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Shove for value or tine bet?
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May 22, 2012 - 9:20 pm
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Poker Stars $15+$1.50 No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t1000/t2000 Blinds + t200 – 9 players
TournamentPokerEdge.com Hand History Converter

Rarios (MP2): BB = 5.1, t10262
feddele_00 (CO): BB = 42.4, t84808
didnik (BTN): BB = 37.0, t74076
sk3pt1c (SB): BB = 45.2, t90490
Hero (BB): BB = 38.4, t76897
marry24 (UTG): BB = 19.5, t39027
Javi_zb (UTG+1): BB = 21.9, t43870
t1m0n 1.0 (UTG+2): BB = 11.0, t21912
Nechay Gr (MP1): BB = 33.6, t67164

Pre Flop: (t4800) Hero is BB with 8 of hearts 8 of spades
3 folds, Nechay Gr raises to t6000, 4 folds, Hero calls t4000

Flop: (t14800) 9 of spades 2 of clubs 8 of clubs (2 players)
Hero bets t7696, Nechay Gr calls t7696

Turn: (t30192) Q of hearts (2 players)
Hero bets t15699, Nechay Gr calls t15699

River: (t61590) 8 of diamonds (2 players)
Hero bets t47302 all in, Nechay Gr folds

Final Pot: t61590
Hero mucks 8h 8s
Hero wins t61590

The pot already was big than my stacksize, i was thinking to just bet pretty small like 14990 
But if he had anything strong enough to call until the river, he mite call the river shove as well 

 

Also i need to know if my flop leading was good, he would never suspect to lead a set in there i think.

Thanks

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May 22, 2012 - 10:09 pm
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think shove is fine as played, 9x, Qx JTs JJ QQ KK AA calls either bet sizing so go for max value. I prob check/call flop and either lead or raise turn depending on his aggressiveness. if he is super barrelly i let him put his stack in rather than leading.

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May 22, 2012 - 11:03 pm
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No, he was a callingstation, and kind of a loose something 53/28

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May 22, 2012 - 11:56 pm
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probably helpful to mention that in the OP, whats his cbet % if its low then donking every street is fine, if its high i prob check flop and lead turn

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May 23, 2012 - 12:04 am
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big value bet > shove > tiny value bet

 

callinng stations are calling stations. but they dont like to stack off.

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May 23, 2012 - 11:48 am
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^ this, shoving is horrible imo,

it looks like you donked a weak 8 twice and just got a chub when you made triples, your hand now looks exactly as is, i think you have to make a biggish value bet of like 32k, as he snapping off half pot all the way down, even tho you only leave 15k behind stations gonna station if your not all in i def agree with tilted on this one

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May 27, 2012 - 10:03 am
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I like shoving here honestly.  I think hes just very slightly less often to pay you off as he would if you bet slightly less.  You also have to consider the F draw missed and the river shove is a last ditch effort to win the pot.  Depending on villian I might sometimes check river as well making it seem like I'm giving up on hand esp if they are competent enough to go for some thin value on river or bluff their missed draws.  All dependent on villian though.

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May 27, 2012 - 11:51 am
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Shove is optimal. He missed his flush draw that he played super passive, nbd.

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As played shoving all day, he is not going to fold any non-draw hand he called you two streets with, you are going to miss value by betting smaller than shove.  I'd probably c/r flop, bet turn smallish and then jam it in on the river but that's just me. Kinda like the leading now tho versus this kind of villain, need to start doing it more myself. Always feel awkward when someone leads.

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I think a small bet 15K in the river would have been good, if he has missed the flush draw he will not call anyway, but if he has a pair, and you weak bet I believe there is a good chance that ppl will call you…

With the shove on the other hand you look too strong, for example you lead bet 2 streets, and lets say he got a pair of Q, you shove is a RED flag to fold for him. I also noticed that he 3bb raised preflop this could mean he has something like (1010+,AJ+) maybe not…

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