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Poker Stars No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t150.00/t300.00 Blinds – 6 players
TournamentPokerEdge.com Hand History Converter
pokimasta (UTG): t39514.00 131.71 BBs
Hero (MP): t25012.00 83.37 BBs
ralfbrobe (CO): t14036.00 46.79 BBs
Shut1991 (BTN): t12643.00 42.14 BBs
smush10 (SB): t24275.00 80.92 BBs
borris445 (BB): t15556.00 51.85 BBs
Pre Flop: (t450) Hero is MP with 6
6
pokimasta calls t300, Hero calls t300, 2 folds, smush10 raises to t1500, 1 fold, pokimasta calls t1200, Hero calls t1200
Flop: (t4800) J
K 6 (3 players)
smush10 checks, pokimasta checks, Hero bets t2575.00, smush10 calls t2575, pokimasta folds
Turn: (t9950) J
(2 players)
smush10 checks, Hero bets t5540.00, smush10 calls t5540
River: (t21030) 8 (2 players)
smush10 checks, Hero?
No reads on villain, first hand at this table i was basically set mining preflop. I have 15372 left in my stack at the river. shove or check?
Jam all in here….you have him for sure
I really dont like the call after the SB 3bets big. Seems spew and fishy. Good result but bad call pre imo.
spew and fishy? it was 3/1 odds on the preflop call with massive implied odds (almost 20/1). how is set mining (with largely accepted odds) spew and fishy?
Again sorry if my comment was offensive.
What is the SB 4xing with? His range crushes yours and I think you are dead to a pure set mine. Since you are only hitting your set 1/7 times approx, calling 4x pre is just unnecessary. You said you have no read on the villian so you dont know if implied odds are there because you have no idea at this point if he will stack off to you.
As played, I hope you bet river for value.
i appreciate the apology.
i agree his range crushes mine but does that not increase my chances of getting paid off when i hit? with 19/1 implied against this opponent alone… more if the other fish gets inveolved too. I think this is a pretty standard call does anyone else disagree with me?
July 3, 2010
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Your pre-flop call is perfectly fine in my opinion, especially after the first guy calls.
Your call would be fine HU since you have position and you're 80+ bb deep to begin the hand.
I jam the river every time – if he's got KK good for him. Nothing else should ever show up here that has you beat. I don't think KJ pops it so big pre or plays it this way postflop.
i would be calling pre here almost everytime after utg calls.
also river is definite shove here. there arent enough hands here that beat us and the river was a perfect card to get called with worse plus the pot is perfect size for a shove.
get it in, I don't think he checks back river with KK or JJ and with his given actions thats all I'd be worried of here. He's probably got like AK.
hawkeyeK9 said:
Again sorry if my comment was offensive.
What is the SB 4xing with? His range crushes yours and I think you are dead to a pure set mine. Since you are only hitting your set 1/7 times approx, calling 4x pre is just unnecessary. You said you have no read on the villian so you dont know if implied odds are there because you have no idea at this point if he will stack off to you.
As played, I hope you bet river for value.
IMO, he's way deep and in position why not play a pot with him?
October 6, 2010
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call is perfectly fine preflop imo
i would shove this river all day every day.
if he has a better house then gg villain, his check on the river worked. but there are lots of flushes that you will get called by here, especially AK and AJ with the Ah
Def what others have said. There's just too many hands you get value from here vs hands that actually have you beat.
Guess i shoulnt second guess myself was pretty sure shoving was the best play. Not sure what i think about his play though, guess it worked out for him. gg me
Poker Stars No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t150.00/t300.00 Blinds – 6 players
TournamentPokerEdge.com Hand History Converter
pokimasta (UTG): t39514.00 131.71 BBs
Hero (MP): t25012.00 83.37 BBs
ralfbrobe (CO): t14036.00 46.79 BBs
Shut1991 (BTN): t12643.00 42.14 BBs
smush10 (SB): t24275.00 80.92 BBs
borris445 (BB): t15556.00 51.85 BBs
Pre Flop: (t450) Hero is MP with 6 6
pokimasta calls t300, Hero calls t300, 2 folds, smush10 raises to t1500, 1 fold, pokimasta calls t1200, Hero calls t1200
Flop: (t4800) J K 6 (3 players)
smush10 checks, pokimasta checks, Hero bets t2575.00, smush10 calls t2575, pokimasta folds
Turn: (t9950) J (2 players)
smush10 checks, Hero bets t5540.00, smush10 calls t5540
River: (t21030) 8 (2 players)
smush10 checks, Hero bets t15372.00, smush10 calls t14660 all in
Final Pot: t50350
Hero shows 6 6
smush10 shows K K
smush10 wins t50450.00
(Rake: t-125)
October 6, 2010
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thats a pretty sick check on the river from villain, either villain is a super slow playing fish or he had a great read and put you on at least the nut flush.
my first hand at the table so he obviously had a soul read on me lol
October 6, 2010
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yeah you just got schooled by a fish obv. bad luck i wouldn't sweat it too much
I guess I stand corrected 
Such a sick result for him to have that.
July 3, 2010
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My closing comment seems pretty sick now lol…
But honestly KK was such a small % of what shows up I'd continue shoving these spots every time in the future.
its definitely a cooler nothing you can do here except go broke and hope to be on the good end next time. i would play the hand the same way 99-100 times
He's gotta bet that flop and charge pple to chase flushes and straights and anything else, no?
October 6, 2010
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mmfitter said:
He's gotta bet that flop and charge pple to chase flushes and straights and anything else, no?
Since villain wins this 160bb pot with 675 people remaining and ended up taking 246th for just over a min cash… it probably isn’t bigdog.
My guess would be that it is actually Jennifer tilly
he did bet the flop unless i am reading this wrong.
July 3, 2010
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The guy with KK check/called flop
I think you played it correctly, it's a possible check just because only a better hand is calling you.
October 6, 2010
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BuddhaX said:
I think you played it correctly, it's a possible check just because only a better hand is calling you.
First hand no reads. He could be holding KJ JJ J6 K6 K8 J8 A high flush etc….All cards that beat bottom set on the Flop. Too many hands to speculate. He’s calling every street with check/call With no read on him he could be playing anything. Fish or no Fish the villain played the hand perfectly and hit the jackpot on the turn. It’s an unlucky spot for Goliath because the turn helped him also. Goliath had bottom set I’m sticking with you could check here on the river. Shoving on the river you are “speculating” he has a flush and is calling.
Check the river. You lose to quads, jacks full, kings full, 8s full etc….
BuddhaX said:
First hand no reads. He could be holding KJ JJ J6 K6 K8 J8 A high flush etc….All cards that beat bottom set on the Flop. Too many hands to speculate. He's calling every street with check/call With no read on him he could be playing anything. Fish or no Fish the villain played the hand perfectly and hit the jackpot on the turn. It's an unlucky spot for Goliath because the turn helped him also. Goliath had bottom set I'm sticking with you could check here on the river. Shoving on the river you are “speculating” he has a flush and is calling.
Check the river. You lose to quads, jacks full, kings full, 8s full etc…
he cannot have 88,KJ or JJ .please don't check behind
July 3, 2010
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Never check behind
You shove or value bet he’s calling regardless. Obviously with the results posted the hero shoved and got felted. I don’t see shoving here you’re losing value and you don’t have the nuts. Nuts yes shove all day, but there are plenty of hands beating you. He’s check calling because he has a monster, so he’s letting the hero bet.
Let s look at this as if are villain didn’t have KK. With out A or Q of hearts it’s hard for him to call an all in on the river. Maybe a 8-T he’s calling all in with a medium flush. But if he’s still check/ calling a draw and misses, he will fold on the shove so you aren’t losing chips if you check.
The villain checked “the nuts” begging for the hero to have a nut flush. He pretty much played the hand exactly how the hero wanted the hand to go down. I think you are risking too much shoving. Value bet and get the call. There is $10,100 in the pot. Bet out $2700- $3,200 or check it. You’re at 80bb why risk it all on speculation
Shoving the villain either calls with what he thinks is the best hand or folds.
When I get home I will do the math on this hand for the river
If your gonna do the math, I can’t since I’m at work, I would say his range for check/calling the river would be AA with a heart, KK, QQ with a heart, JJ and AK AQ AJ with the a heart.
Would be interested what my equity is against this range. Although its bound to be >50% which makes the value shove +CEv
I’m guessing to be almost a coin flop with that range. I’ll check when I’m at home.
July 3, 2010
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It's not really speculation when you have the 4th nuts…
And if you bet 3200 are you folding to a shove? Because that seems worse than checking behind.
G0liath said:
If your gonna do the math, I can't since I'm at work, I would say his range for check/calling the river would be AA with a heart, KK, QQ with a heart, JJ and AK AQ AJ with the a heart.
Would be interested what my equity is against this range. Although its bound to be >50% which makes the value shove +CEv
Well its pretty damn good equity from what I saw based on above range which is 2 percent of hands:
There are 15 hands we beat which are all the flushes, 3 possible KK combos wihtout the K and one possible JJ combo so 15 vs 4
From Pokerstove
Hand 0: 22.22% 00.00% 4 0.00 { AcAh, AdAh, AhAs, KK, QcQh, QdQh, QhQs, JJ, AhKc, AhKd, AhKs, AhQc, AhQd, AhQs, AhJc, AhJd, AhJs }
Hand 1: 77.78% 00.00% 14 0.00 { 6c6d }
Board: Jh Kh 6h Js 8h
June 11, 2010
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why in the name of all that is good would we check here.
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