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Should I shove or call ?

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August 9, 2015 - 8:45 pm

PokerStars – $4+$0.40|150/300 Ante 40 NL – Holdem – 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN (BTN): 4.97 BB (VPIP: 36.84, PFR: 9.82, 3Bet Preflop: 3.64, Hands: 114)
SB (SB): 34.44 BB (VPIP: 15.04, PFR: 9.73, 3Bet Preflop: 4.17, Hands: 114)
Hero (BB): 15.19 BB
UTG (UTG): 6.23 BB (VPIP: 20.63, PFR: 17.24, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 63)
UTG+1 (UTG+1): 66.41 BB (VPIP: 37.97, PFR: 5.06, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 79)
MP (MP): 25.22 BB (VPIP: 23.64, PFR: 10.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 111)
MP+1 (MP+1): 33.8 BB (VPIP: 21.05, PFR: 15.79, 3Bet Preflop: 11.11, Hands: 19)
CO (CO): 57.06 BB (VPIP: 21.82, PFR: 12.73, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 110)

8 players post ante of 0.13 BB, SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Dealt to Hero:
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UTG raises to 6.1 BB and is all-in, fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, SB calls 5.6 BB, Hero raises to 15.06 BB and is all-in, SB calls 8.96 BB

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August 10, 2015 - 3:11 am

That is what we call in the soft sciences, a “fist pump shove”. NH.

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August 10, 2015 - 9:04 am

You should shove all of the chippies!

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August 10, 2015 - 1:10 pm

Is that means that AK is all ways shove in big preflops raises ? Most of the time I will be against pairs which make me under dog ?

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August 10, 2015 - 1:46 pm

Why do you assume that most of the time you will be against pairs? This is very flawed logic from these stack sizes.

UTG 6 bb shoving range should be something like this: 22.5%, 22+ A2s+ A8o+ K8s+ KTo+ Q9s+ QJo J9s+ 6BB T8s+ 98s . When the SB calls even a somewhat tight range he should have something like 66s+ A8s+ A10o+ KQs. Not to mention there is still a small (unlikely) chance SB will fold to your shove. AKs is crushing all hands but pairs, and flipped with all pairs but KK and AA. With 15 bbs in MTTs and AKs you have to gamble and it's a fist pump as mentioned above.

Also no it doesn't mean it is always a shove in big preflop raises but in general online I am willing to get in up to 30-40 BBs all in preflop in MTTs online with AK.

I suggest studying some push/fold charts to correct your flawed assumptions on ranges.

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August 10, 2015 - 3:01 pm

This is a fist pump for sure!

danny with a 30bb stacksize if u had AK and you were in MP, are you 3-bet/c against an EP raise (readless) or are you 3-bet shoving?

im gunna guess you’re going to 3-bet shove.

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August 10, 2015 - 4:05 pm

I would actually 3bet to induce/look stronger rather than 3bet shove most times. 3betting may cause them to flat and make mistakes, along with also possibly getting them to fold pairs preflop that we would flip with if they call our shove. I wouldn't shove AA/KK/QQ here so I don't like them ranging me on something like 88-JJ and AK,AQs if I 3bet shove and allow them to call perfectly.

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August 10, 2015 - 7:45 pm

Nice response Danny and thanks!

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