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February 5, 2015
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No Limit Holdem Tournament PokerStars
7 Players
$7.34+$0.66
Blinds 1.5k/3k 7
UTG kallesahl 21k
UTG+1 Menotti 21k
MP anhbasaigon 33k
CO owlsova 26k
D tmbrkw 63k
SB Hero 67k
BB supergenna 39k
7 6.6k Hero is SB 6 6
4 folds, tmbrkw raises to 6k, Hero goes all-in 66k, 1 fold, tmbrkw goes all-in 57k
2 134k, 2 all-in K T 8
2 134k, 2 all-in 4
2 134k, 2 all-in 7
tmbrkw shows a pair of Kings K A
Hero shows a pair of Sixes 6 6
tmbrkw wins 130k (net +67k)
Hero collects 3.6k (net –63k)
Hey TPE buddies!
So here I am leading a final table in a 180 turbo.
So my understanding of ICM theory is that big stacks should bully medium stacks, medium stacks should play conservatively, and short stacks need to take calculated risks to double up.
According to this, it is not ideal that the button is another bigstack. However, there are a few <10bb stacks at the table.
Pretty simple question really…was I right in taking advantage of the shorter stacks and threatening the button with elimination by shoving?
Or was this an ICM mistake, and I should rather have focussed on abusing the medium stacks?
I think the former…but I’d love to hear your thoughts! Thanks…
Mark.
(Oh and before anyone says something…I ran this through HRC…all it would show me is a calling range if Button shoved.
I even tried an advanced analysis).
I would love to know how to set the thing up to show me what my 3-bet shove range should be as played, ie with Button raising non all-in… is this possible?
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December 6, 2012
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In HRC, you need to do an Advanced Hand. This will enable raises of less than all in. You can set sizes for the first raise, second raise, etc. It’s best not to allow limping or flat calls, because of the unhelpful way in which HRC handles them.
After getting a preliminary output from HRC, it’s best to adjust button’s range manually. Because the blinds are not allowed to flat call, HRC will show a wider opening range for BTN than is really profitable. You should narrow it at least a bit, unless you believe button will be opening wider than optimal. Then lock that range, recalculate, and the output should be what you are looking for.
I haven’t actually run this, but seems like a pretty straight-forward shove to me, neither dingbat nor boss.
February 5, 2015
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Thought so!
Thanks Andrew…
But this is partially what I fear in poker…the true bosses will rise to the top; the dingbats will eventually give up through sheer frustration…and the seething, writhing, uncertain…”neither dingbat nor boss” majority will continue as they are…”breaking even”, or slightly losing.
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December 6, 2012
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I don’t mean to imply that there is some more boss way to play this hand. I just think it’s a straightforward shove, clearly the best play but one that ought to seem standard to you, not some super amazing boss move.
February 5, 2015
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No I wasn’t making any kind of point.
I am not sure what I was really saying, other than that I fear I belong to the “neither boss nor dingbat” camp…
I suppose for winning players to exist there needs to be this inequality though.
I was pretty much sure the hand was a shove, and I didn’t hesitate in game, but I guess the central theme I was wondering about after was whether due to ICM considerations I would have been better off avoiding the other big stack, and concentrating on abusing the medium stacks.
I was wondering whether perhaps shoving over the one stack who threatened me with elimination was an ICM disaster, or whether I was correct to abuse the situation.
Just an ICM thing is all.
BTW sorry for the silly thread name, I had drunk a couple of lagers!
And thank you for the HRC advice Andrew…I really appreciate the time you give to us all! I was thinking about this today.
(No I knew it wasn’t a ” boss” move lol, but I wasn’t sure whether it was the right play or an ICM mistake).
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