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Should I have shoved? Sized the raise bigger? (AK in SB)
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November 26, 2013 - 6:09 pm
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Good afternoon TPE sharkmen,

This hand comes from a $1 rebuy tourney on Carbon, where rebuys are 2,000 but the addon is 5,000 chips.  It's a fun tourney, and I am excited to play higher stakes ones like it.  This was after the addons, after late registration has closed.  The Villain is “chattanooga37412” who is not too impressive, both by his stats and by the feel of opposing him.  I have 136 hands on him – only had about 40 at the time but his playing style was still visible.  VPIP 25, PFR 5, Limp 19, 3bet 0%, squeeze 0%, Cbet100, fold to Cbet 25, Call Cbet 50, Steal 5, fold to Steal 20, Resteal 0%.

I wonder what you guys think about this.  Nothing too complicated, but:

Merge Network $100 Gtd – [+R, Turbo] No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t300.00/t600.00 Blinds + t60.00 – 7 players – View hand 2365702
TournamentPokerEdge.com Hand History Converter

StoshNJag (UTG): BB = 11.9, t7115
zubs1aaa (UTG+1): BB = 18.9, t11317
chemmy (MP): BB = 35.9, t21550
jujubeesontheground (CO): BB = 14.6, t8775
Claw129 (BTN): BB = 18.5, t11125
Hero (SB): BB = 26.0, t15590
chattanooga37412 (BB): BB = 16.9, t10120

Pre Flop: (t1320) Hero is SB with A of hearts K of hearts
1 fold, zubs1aaa raises to t1222.00, chemmy calls t1222, 2 folds, action on Hero.

Zubs is a regular at the stakes I play on Carbon, often running deep in the tourneys I see him in. After 604 hands, he plays VPIP 18, PFR 14, Limp 3, 3bet 7, Cbet 81, Fold to Cbet 80, Call Cbet 10. His range includes most pocket pairs, ATs+, AJo+, KQs, maybe KQo and KJs.

chemmy's real life name is probably Fishy McFishstein, playing VPIP 42, Limping 32, Cbetting 100.

I would like to take this pot down preflop.  I had just recently doubled up and had been pretty active.  I didn't feel like getting into a huge 3 way pot with AK, even if a big win would be very nice.  I want them to believe that I have a good hand.  I decided that a raise instead of a shove would achieve this goal.  What kind of raise would be best?  I tried to imagine what I would do if I had AA or KK.

 

Hero raises to t4000.00, chattanooga37412 calls t3400, 2 folds

 

Should I have sized bigger, considering what I wanted to accomplish?  I'm out of position, and I realize that with chemmy's preflop call, the pot became significantly bigger, and that 2778 chips on top (to 4000) probably wasn't enough to price everyone out with great effectiveness.  I could have done 5000 and still had 10.5k behind, but is that enough that I should just be shoving?  Any more and I definitely feel it may as well be a shove.

Now I'm up against chattanooga and don't have to worry about Zubs or the other guy.  But what does chattanooga's flat mean?  I put him on a decent range, but I don't think he's actually got what he's supposed to have when cold calling here.  I put him on any pocket pair, any suited ace, A5o+ and lots of broadway.

Flop: (t10864) T of spades A of clubs 4 of spades (2 players)

 

Well, now I'm pretty happy with the situation, and think I need to just shove.  Here again I think shoving looks weaker, but this time of course I don't mind a call.  I'm not folding no matter what he does.

Hero bets t11530 all in, chattanooga37412 calls t6060 all in

I'm more interested in the preflop question: Would a larger preflop raise have been in order, would a shove have been best, or do you guys think 4000 was ok?  Secondarily, given the action as it was played, would anyone try to slowplay this flop?

Thanks in advance!

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November 26, 2013 - 7:26 pm
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I would make the raise bigger, your giving midpairs and suited connectors too good a price.

 

Flat by the BB is really fishy but then this is a $1 tourney, wouldnt be surprised if he rolls over QTs or 55

 

I wouldnt slowplay you have tptk keep it simple and shove

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November 26, 2013 - 8:16 pm
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I think the raise pre flop was fine. You raised 3.3x over a raiser with a caller who has hopefully the best real life name ever. If you are intent on taking it down pre, you can shove here as well.

 

If you do size it slightly bigger however, like 4300 it puts your stack more in line with a pot sized shove on the flop. That's just being nit picky though.

 

I think the villain actually plays this really bad given his stack size. He should always just shove his hand here, or fold. He leaves himself with 10BB in a pot that has 18. Personally though, I would be check/calling his shove. When we jam flop, it allows him to fold out hands like JJ or 99 that he played bad. I don't think he's ever folding out an Ax here, but he may shove at it with KQ or KJ hoping you don't have an A, and knowing he has outs if you do. 

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November 27, 2013 - 4:25 am
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I prefer a shove preflop here.

We have a pot of 3764 and our stack is 15590 so SPR is getting close to 25%. I use a rule of thumb that if my SPR is > 20% then I will probably jam with my whole range particularly if the pot looks like it could end up multiway and in these tournaments a 3b raise is more likely to induce calls rather than a 4b shove that we can call.

I still think there is good value in a shove as you might get villains with hands you dominate to stack off thinking you are 'squeezing' so personally just GII preflop and hope you hold.

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November 27, 2013 - 9:43 am
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Shove pre sir, as said above it can be interpreted as a squeeze.

Also fish sticks will prolly call wide and be behind our range.

It also eliminates sticky situations OTF

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