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Should I have folded pre-flop here?
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January 17, 2011 - 12:01 pm
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Full Tilt Poker Game #27357498832: $16,000 KO Guarantee (212348754), Table 51 – 300/600 Ante 75 – No Limit Hold'em – 11:48:22 ET – 2011/01/17
Seat 1: LuigiCorleone (17,061)
Seat 2: Paramedic156 (20,313)
Seat 3: grinta1 (6,699)
Seat 4: jogasr (18,211)
Seat 5: AMNEZIA74 (25,175)
Seat 6: raker 69 (13,352)
Seat 7: Longcut1822 (7,499)
Seat 8: Indy_Hawkeye (17,056)
Seat 9: Plotinus (14,640)
LuigiCorleone antes 75
Paramedic156 antes 75
grinta1 antes 75
jogasr antes 75
AMNEZIA74 antes 75
raker 69 antes 75
Longcut1822 antes 75
Indy_Hawkeye antes 75
Plotinus antes 75
Indy_Hawkeye posts the small blind of 300
Plotinus posts the big blind of 600
The button is in seat #7
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Paramedic156 [Qs Qh]
LuigiCorleone has 15 seconds left to act
LuigiCorleone raises to 1,548
Paramedic156 calls 1,548
grinta1 raises to 6,624, and is all in
jogasr folds
AMNEZIA74 folds
raker 69 has 15 seconds left to act
raker 69 folds
Longcut1822 has 15 seconds left to act
Longcut1822 raises to 7,424, and is all in
Indy_Hawkeye folds
Plotinus folds
LuigiCorleone calls 5,876
Paramedic156 has 15 seconds left to act
Paramedic156 has requested TIME
Paramedic156 calls 5,876
*** FLOP *** [2h 2d 2s]
LuigiCorleone checks
Paramedic156 bets 12,814, and is all in
LuigiCorleone calls 9,562, and is all in
Paramedic156 shows [Qs Qh]
grinta1 shows [Th Td]
Longcut1822 shows [Qd Kh]
LuigiCorleone shows [As Ah]
Uncalled bet of 3,252 returned to Paramedic156
*** TURN *** [2h 2d 2s] [4d]
*** RIVER *** [2h 2d 2s 4d] [6c]
Paramedic156 shows a full house, Twos full of Queens
LuigiCorleone shows a full house, Twos full of Aces
LuigiCorleone wins side pot #2 (19,124) with a full house, Twos full of Aces
Longcut1822 shows three of a kind, Twos
LuigiCorleone wins side pot #1 (2,400) with a full house, Twos full of Aces
grinta1 shows a full house, Twos full of Tens
LuigiCorleone wins the main pot (28,071) with a full house, Twos full of Aces
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 49,595 Main pot 28,071. Side pot 1 2,400. Side pot 2 19,124. | Rake 0
Board: [2h 2d 2s 4d 6c]
Seat 1: LuigiCorleone showed [As Ah] and won (49,595) with a full house, Twos full of Aces
Seat 2: Paramedic156 showed [Qs Qh] and lost with a full house, Twos full of Queens
Seat 3: grinta1 showed [Th Td] and lost with a full house, Twos full of Tens
Seat 4: jogasr folded before the Flop
Seat 5: AMNEZIA74 folded before the Flop
Seat 6: raker 69 folded before the Flop
Seat 7: Longcut1822 (button) showed [Qd Kh] and lost with three of a kind, Twos
Seat 8: Indy_Hawkeye (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 9: Plotinus (big blind) folded before the Flop

 

I tanked for a really long time on this, my intuition was to fold, i figured with that many people in the pot someone def. had aces. did I play it right? or wrong?

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January 17, 2011 - 12:20 pm
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Some people will tell you not to fold here. I'm not one of them.

In the future, though, you should be 3 betting QQ there to keep people behind you from getting nice implied odds to call with speculative hands and crack you and the OR.

Doubt you get away from QQ if you 3 bet and the OR shoves but meh that's a cooler spot.

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Definitely 3 bet/call/get it in PF here.  With all these shorties shoving you are getting tremendous overlay that I would not pass up.

 

As a side note, definitely use the converter, and don't post results in the future as you will get a lot more replies that way.  Check out this thread:  …..egy-posts/

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I like the flat from early position it gives later positions incentive to squeeze and thats exactly how it played out. As for seat 1 I have two trains of thought 1.) with the 18k in the middle and his 6000 to call he's getting a good price to call with hands like A/Q ,K/Q, 7's-10's  which I jam over I do not wanna see an A or K on that flop and I end up having to fold to his action. 2.) he has a monster which is kind of a cooler situation I mean given stack sizes and the one stack you're essentially concerned about could convince me to fold Q's given the action there is just too much in the center and you both are too shallow to pick up some kind of monster read like that unless theres history, are you are ahead far more often than you are behind. If I could offer any advice it would be don't let this hand go to the flop with action still to go. reraise the reraisers and that flat ALL IN!

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3bet get it in with your stack size and mtt level. I do expect people to be flipping TT+ in these at these stakes a lot of the time.

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kuroshi said:

3bet get it in with your stack size and mtt level. I do expect people to be flipping TT+ in these at these stakes a lot of the time.


This – important thing in mtt's is to adjust lines you take vs. a fish/lag/reg/etc.

You can 3 bet here and still valuetown TT and JJ so it's completely fine.

I don't recommend flatting to induce a squeeze unless this has been happening a lot at your table. Otherwise you're just crossing your fingers and hoping someone behind you likes their hand and that doesn't seem very good to me.

More often than not someone else will flat a small pair and then anyone with suited connectors and 1 gappers is getting a good price. I wouldn't want to play QQ 4 handed…

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I totally agree with the advice above.  With these stack sizes and stakes I'd just 3b get it in pre here.  If someone wakes up with better not a lot you can do.

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