Full Tilt Poker, $200/400 No Limit Hold’em Tournament, 8 Players

i agree im not in favor of a river bet here ,

I agree with bigdog about your sizing on the flop being a bit too big.  You can easily bet 1800-2k here and take it down np.

As for it being a good spot to double barrel, I really don’t think it is.  Board texture doesn’t change much when the 4 drops in relation to what our limp/caller could have.  Doesn’t seem like the 4 of diamonds is going to scare off most people. 

bigdogpckt5s said:

Wein said:

I agree with bigdog about your sizing on the flop being a bit too big.  You can easily bet 1800-2k here and take it down np.

 

As for it being a good spot to double barrel, I really don’t think it is.  Board texture doesn’t change much when the 4 drops in relation to what our limp/caller could have.  Doesn’t seem like the 4 of diamonds is going to scare off most people. 

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Will agree to disagree with Wein here a little bit. I think the 4 of diamonds is a find card to double barrel with. And i think there is profabillity in double barrelling for a few reasons. 1 if he floated just to float or is on some sort of draw he is more likely to give his hand up with only the river to come. Obviously there is always the danger of getting ch/r but I think that a double barrel after the pre flop action is a pretty strong line so I doubt hes ch/r light very often. Also because your hand does have some showdown value you can now check back the river without having to face a river bluff.

I agree with everything except for the fact that I’m not sure a random is floating out of position on the flop with air bisquits to chk/raise the turn.

bigdogpckt5s said:

First off I think your sizing is off a little bit. I dont think you have to bet 2800 into a 3800 pot on the flop. Having said that I think after he limp calls you pre hes always gonna for the most part float a flop C-bet if hes at all capable. So if your going to go ahead and 2 barrel the strongest line is to defenetly do it on the turn. As played I def do not put any chips in on the river because your line is just to weak. Your hand has a small amount of showdown value so check back the river and let him roll over KQ of hearts and take the pot down imo 🙂

Not saying im the most brillaint poker mind on the planet or anything but THIS 🙂

I think the turn is a really bad card to barrel on, personally. If you had any read on the composition of his limp/call range that would be useful but this flop I would imagine hits a default limp/calling range a decent % of the time. I find guys limp with hands they want to play, but are too cautious to raise pre-flop and build a pot, they just want to see a cheap flop with a nice hand. So suited/connected stuff like 78s, 89s,T9s, 45s and 56s although maybe less of the smaller suited connectors. Also lots of small pocket pairs like 22-66. Sure he can have stuff like small suited Ax (A2s-A7s) and some of the weaker broadways like JT/KT/KQ/KJ I imagine.

I'm assuming that is a fairly reasonable estimation of a default limp/calling range (I have no idea what stakes this was played at so it could be much wider). 

Vs a range like that I can't see him folding on the turn very often at all and so I'd just give up. Do you guys think that's a reasonable estimation of a limp/calling range? What stakes was this played at as well? 

Pls bump this again in two years.