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June 1, 2012
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Villian was running a 30/6 only 30 or so hands, no reads on him. Just wondering if i should 4 bet and get it in pre.
QQ is in his range i guess, but does he 4x 3bet me oop with QQ? . Does he ever play 8s or 7s this way? .
Was just before the bubble as well. So not sure if he thought i was opening light.
Ive just started 3 betting, and usually only 4bet getting it in at the stakes i play.
ill post what he had after a bit
Poker Stars $5.00+$5.00+$0.50 No Limit Hold'em Tournament – t350/t700 Blinds + t85 – 8 players – View hand 2084199
TournamentPokerEdge.com Hand History Converter
Cabeça Tilt (SB): BB = 35.3, t24716
Gioibiza123 (BB): BB = 79.7, t55786
diphazz (UTG): BB = 12.2, t8565
Handgel (UTG+1): BB = 10.1, t7042
Hero (MP1): BB = 47.3, t33109
keeper_art (MP2): BB = 41.2, t28843
giopazzo (CO): BB = 57.3, t40144
chris777444 (BTN): BB = 76.4, t53496
Pre Flop: (t1730) Hero is MP1 with K
K
2 folds, Hero raises to t1400, 4 folds, Gioibiza123 raises to t5600, Hero calls t4200
Flop: (t12230) Q 8 7
(2 players)
Gioibiza123 bets t7700, Hero raises to t16100, Gioibiza123 raises to t50101 all in, Hero calls t11324 all in
Turn: (t67078) 2 (2 players – 2 are all in)
River: (t67078) T
(2 players – 2 are all in)
May 31, 2012
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I think you can 4bet this.
But in lower buyin tournaments i rather play it like you did. He can for sure have AKs Aq or maybe even weaker. I like the way you player it.
June 1, 2012
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At this level its not uncommon to see the villian play post with AQ this way. Im just wondering if when he 4xs pre, that seems like a hand hes gonna 3 bet fold to my 4 bet (99-JJ)? . So we dont want thoes types of hands folding right? Or should i be thinking hes not 3bet folding a hand he 4Xed if i were to 4 bet, what would be good sizing, like 2-2.2x?
May 30, 2012
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I think the way you played it was ok. Sure, you could 4bet pre and see what he does……… you have position, so I don't mind what you did. If he's got QQ, oh well. On to the next one. I think with his raise, it would be all that you said, AK, AQ, 88-JJ. Doubt he does that with 77, prob not 88 unless he's real solid compitent player. THis is a smaller buyin. Lots of spwey players……….
January 22, 2013
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when someone 3 bets huge i doubt he is folding pre to these stacks that often so i would min/ very small 4 bet to get him to spazz
July 7, 2012
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I like the flat here as it completely disguises our hand and I like the raise get itin on the flop. I'm not a huge fan of the min 4bet imo it just looks super nutted and what it is, a monster trying to get it in pre. If I where to 4bet here, given the ridiculous size of the 3bet, I'd be inclined time-bank a bit then 4bet rip it in.
June 7, 2012
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For what it is worth, I am ok with flatting and 4 bet jamming as well. I do, however, prefer getting it in pre. Reason, if he is doing this with Qs or Js and an A falls, he will be shutting down and we lose value. If he is playing AK and we get all small cards, we are losing value.
As I type this, question comes to mind, when do we fold KKs pre? How deep do we have to be? Do we fold to a 5 bet? 7bet? I know I am not good enough to fold Kings pre, but there has to be a tipping point. What if it was the first hand of the WSOP ME….:) lol! Had to toss that in. But in all seriousness, when can you comfortably fold Ks pre?
July 7, 2012
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OkieNGa said:
As I type this, question comes to mind, when do we fold KKs pre? How deep do we have to be? Do we fold to a 5 bet? 7bet? I know I am not good enough to fold Kings pre, but there has to be a tipping point. What if it was the first hand of the WSOP ME….:) lol! Had to toss that in. But in all seriousness, when can you comfortably fold Ks pre?
Good question! Online, there have been a few times when I thought I was facing AA with KK but against single action (one player) I dont think I have ever folded KK pre and just excepted it as a cooler when it happens. Live, depending on the action, stage of tourney and how deep I have played it more cautious but again I dont think I have folded pre. I have seen it done though lol
January 22, 2013
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Your realize how deep we are 4 betting doesnt have to be a push we are almost 50BB effective,…
OkieNGa said:
For what it is worth, I am ok with flatting and 4 bet jamming as well. I do, however, prefer getting it in pre.
January 22, 2013
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Turbulence said:
OkieNGa said:
As I type this, question comes to mind, when do we fold KKs pre? How deep do we have to be? Do we fold to a 5 bet? 7bet? I know I am not good enough to fold Kings pre, but there has to be a tipping point. What if it was the first hand of the WSOP ME….:) lol! Had to toss that in. But in all seriousness, when can you comfortably fold Ks pre?
Good question! Online, there have been a few times when I thought I was facing AA with KK but against single action (one player) I dont think I have ever folded KK pre and just excepted it as a cooler when it happens. Live, depending on the action, stage of tourney and how deep I have played it more cautious but again I dont think I have folded pre. I have seen it done though lol
if your only problem with your play is you NEVER fold KK to the off time that makes sense (assuming not in a satty and such) then your likely a highly profitable player anyways so don't worry about it
more directly to your question: when we can narrow villains range down to exactly AA confidently or in satties but asides from that no. When in doubt i would say get it in unless we have a satty seat locked up
June 1, 2012
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Im probably being too resulst oriented. He had Q8o. If we 4 bet there, hes gonna have to give up. I guess I just got unlucky and wondered if i played it ok
January 29, 2013
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If you are flatting preflop I don't think we can raise flop. I assume you are flatting pre because you put him on a narrow 3betting range AA, KK, QQ, AK. So what do we beat on this flop? We hold the Ks so he cant have the flush draw! With KK I am 4bet/getting it in every time. I am not trying to make a soul read. We also have to take into account that players at these stakes will get it in with a lot worse hands than the range above.
January 29, 2013
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Also if he is playing such a narrow range then you are against (6 AA combos, 8 AK combos, one KK combo and 6 QQ combos). This is wayyyy too good a spot to not get in pre.
July 3, 2010
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4 betting with stacks this deep. His large 3b size also indicates he may not be folding too often. I'd 4b to a size where we can get it in on a flop without an Ace.
I'd make it like 9799-10299 or somewhere in that range.
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